What's the matter with Donald Trump.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

Not so, it's a vote for whoever else is on the ticket. If the Dems don't carry the day, that's their fault and no one else's. I don't believe in a 2 party system and I'm not going to use my vote to further it.

In this case the only person that has a chance of defeating Trump is Biden. A vote for a candidate that can't win is one less vote for Biden. I think the primary goal for this election is to get Trump out of office. It's kinda like standing on ceremony to vote for a candidate that can't win the election.

However, I understand your right to be true to your beliefs and respect that you do.

[Maruzo]

Everyone here is pretty set in their ways, imo it’s not wise to try And convince others of your opinion In our current situation.

But we can express our thoughts and explain why we think the way we think, and let others absorb and perhaps take with them something they did not think of before.

I see a lot of common grounds in bc, Motordavid, and ards’ posts. That’s a pretty decent start.

[YervArhocho938]

US population is currently about 331M, not 350M, as someone erroneously claimed earlier.


World population is roughly 7.8B.


Confirmed cases in US currently at 3,763,395. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html


26.6% of world total vs. 4.2% of world population


Deaths in US currently at 140,477. (same source)



23.2% of world total vs. 4.2% of world population


Many more are affected by serious ongoing health problems, if they recover, including children. Just one example: https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...VID-19-in-kids



Yes, there are different standards of testing and reporting statistics, and some countries, like China, are opaque, but more than five times the average on both measures? We’re the most advanced, greatest country on Earth, right? What happened? Did God decide to not bless America???


Trump’s tally of false and misleading claims is now above 20k after about three and a half years in office https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...eading-claims/. Naturally, many of these are repeats.


His failure to pay attention to the early President’s Daily Briefs on the virus and give credence to the continuing developments in the medical community, instead being led by his instincts and what he watches on TV, and blame others instead of taking responsibility has cost us all dearly. Literally $5T between new debt and outlays by the Fed, with more to come but, more importantly, thousands upon thousands lives and families destroyed unnecessarily.


Even his most ardent apologists, faced with these facts, unless totally blind, can see he is an incompetent, dishonest, manipulative, faithless, vile, evil, scared, inhumane, caustic man, hiding behind bravado, bullying and vanity. Hopefully, November halts the huckster’s histrionics and we can get back to the imperfect yet, remarkably less evil and corrupt norm of American politics.


Evil:
1. morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked.
2. harmful; injurious.


(used above in both senses)



TL,DR Wear a mask in public, socially distance, support contact tracing, listen to the medical community and be considerate of others.

[EODguy]

My point of this is that in the USA you have a 1.13% chance of catching covid19 and if you do catch it you have 3.73% fatality rate.

Which equals out to a 0.04% chance of being a fatality.

I am using the numbers as provided by Yerv for this post.H/T

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[Maruzo]

Right now we have 3.9 million cases, that's slightly over 1% of our population. Assuming untested carriers of 10%, we still have 90% of healthy population.

Let's galvanize that 90% (or just the whole population, for arguments sake) with one uniform goal. This is the best chance for the leaders to turn this thing around. Unite everyone with a common goal to defeat this disease.

We need that uniform voice from the top so the messaging is the same in every corner of this country.

It's not too late. Instead of saying let the virus wash all over the entire population so that a few million will die and herd immunity can take place, let's fight it head on.

All it takes is for the leaders to admit their blunders, apologize, promises no more bull shit and commit all our resources into whatever we need to fighting this virus. Testing equipment, cotton swabs, face masks, means of contact tracing.

Pass a nation-wide mandate so all citizens adhere to the strict guidelines of CDC and WHO.

Pull your selfish head out of your ass and really commit to following the guidelines. Face covering on in public, social distance, and contact tracing!

These are the tried and true methods that are being used worldwide. Many countries have benefited from the same practices.

We can too, if it's followed to the tee.

There are no conspiracy theory on this one. It's only a deadly virus and our willingness or unwillingness to fight it.

I'll bet you 100 to 1 this is the only way Trump will win his reelection. Not opposition research, not begging foreign leaders to help him find dirt on his opponents, not spewing racial hatred and partisan ideologies, and certainly not flooding the

internet and social media platforms with more conspiracy theories and false narratives.

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by Maruzo

It's not too late. Instead of saying let the virus wash all over the entire population so that a few million will die and herd immunity can take place, let's fight it head on.

I understand what you're saying. At the very least 100% of the governors should require businesses (not individuals) to enforce a strict mask policy. If you do that, people will mask up. And it would be nice if Trump could bring himself to say as much so the governors would be given the political "out." I don't want the Feds mandating anything. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. Leave it up to the States.

But I think the millions number is not likely to happen unless CV19 lasted for many years. 3 or 4 maybe. We are 8 months in (possibly more, infection could have begun in Dec or Nov '19) and we have ~145,000 deaths. For the number to reach even one million, at current pacing, would take almost another 4 years (47.18 months).

I am definitely wary of CV19 and take all precautions we can tolerate to protect ourselves and family. But we aren't terrified of it. As an example, my BiL was diagnosed, and given an Rx, by a doctor to have CV19 on Sunday. They ran ZERO tests, just diagnosed him based on symptoms. I had just helped him for 10 hours on Wednesday to renew his E46 front suspension. He called me Sunday at midnight (I was up washing the E53) and sounded like a whipped dog having to tell me he was Dx'd positive and apologized profusely. I told him to get a test ASAP and we'll go from there. Didn't get pissed, or chew him out, or even wake my wife to tell her. He got his results yesterday and they were negative. So, in America, with "the best healthcare system in the world," an ER doc diagnosed a condition with no testing, a condition that would affect at least 5 sets of families who would have to quarantine and be worried about developing symptoms. This was based on diarrhea, stomach cramps, rapid heart rate, and recurring fevers. My BiL is out of shape and has been working outside and on the car for a week so I told him it's likely heat exhaustion or something he ate gave him a stomach bug. The clinic doc agreed with my assessment. Told him he should be pissed and consider filing a complaint.

I certainly don't WANT people to die, but if part of the population wants to play this as politics, that's their fault. Maybe America's cumulative IQ score will go up a little if we lose 0.5% of the population. The right wing will lose some voters as well, so maybe your side will have a greater edge in upcoming elections? I realize that's a dark timeline, but "I calls em likes I sees em."

Again, protect yourselves and your family. And any friends who will/can listen.

[Maruzo]

The front suspension overhaul is definitely a 2 person job. Although I'm sure some of us here has done it alone. My E53 front suspension overhaul took me 2 days with a good friend's help.

Love the difference it made on the truck.

I try to pass on whatever I learn from the media and the CDC. For instance this is actually a vascular instead of a respiratory disease as many have thought early on.

The daily posted a podcast of 4 new insights into the coronavirus a few weeks ago:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/p...owTranscript=1

More testing is definitely going to help, or rather looking for more and different symptoms instead of just respiratory illness as a marker for the covid infection.

We may very well not have a million casualties due to this virus, knock on wood, but the panic and the anxieties the rapid spread of covid has caused is doing far more damage than the number of fatalities on paper, imho.

The cluster infection nature of this illness tends to overwork the emergency rooms in the affected communities while reducing the overall visitations to these medical facilities.

Sounds ironic, but while people are flooding the emergency rooms with covid symptoms, there're many more who are postponing their appointments for many other unrelated conditions in fear of contracting covid at these same facilities.

Face covering + social distance + outdoor events instead of indoor events.

Air indoor tend to stay motionless if the ac isn't on. When we breathe out or sneeze/ cough the droplets comes out and surrounds our immediate location like a cloud of vapors couple of feet thick. Anyone who walks past this invisible cloud of vapors is hit smack with a good chunk of our exhaled vapors.

Outdoor is quite different because there's a constant air movement from one place to another, the outdoor air is never motionless at any given time.

That's good news for us, bad for the spreading virus.

[crystalworks]

Will Hurd has been doing a pretty good job but is not running again come reelection. I liked Tulsi Gabbard as a candidate and from the little I know of her service in the House, I think she's doing well. She butts heads with the democratic establishment, so I see that as a plus.

There are others I'm sure but those are two off the top of my head.

[Maruzo]

Hard for them to pull through when the general public is easily swayed by massive ads from people with big personalities.

Michael Bloomberg has money to burn but he has no personality. Trump has no experience running public office but he's a number one bullshiter with a big personality.

It's sad that voters can't distinguish fake personality from actual ability.

[Maruzo]

Sending secret police to Portland to "abduct protestors without telling them who they are, where they're taking them, or why they're been arrested."

Violating every constitutional rights of our american citizens.

This is not the ways of a 200+ years old democratic country.

I've said he's the very worst president we've ever had. Obama is a saint compared to him.