What's the matter with Donald Trump.

[bcredliner]

One can close out all their social media accounts but social media isn't going away. I see a need for us to stay involved and help those that are swayed by bad information to have an opportunity to at least read some of the true story. Some will question what they think to be true. It's a certainty that social media will evolve and if nothing is done it will likely get worse. I can't imagine leaving social media as is for the next generation.

What is the difference in speaking out about COVID19 and Trump then doing the same concerning social media? When any of my Facebook friends posts what I believe is false information I challenge them.

My brother is a veteran and he believes Trump has really helped veterans so he supports him. Last summer we debated points of view. I don't know if anything changed but he realized he wasn't looking at the whole picture, barely beyond the veteran hospital improvements. We live a thousand miles apart and we private message about the subject now and then. He no longer posts any Trump BS. I don't ask who he will vote for but I know he will at least consider not voting for Trump.

[ard]

A very powerful story:


Two part podcast:




https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR...UwMDA5NGFhMzBk


https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR...QQkfYCegQIARAF


Its the story about Clint Lorance, his trial, sentence and media-circus pardon and how that process has destroyed members of the platoon.







Id very much like to hear from a service member what they think about this whole thing...but these days topics like this are off-limits

[Maruzo]

His approval rating on the handling of the covid crisis went from 51% in march to the 40s in May and this month it has dropped to 38%.

60% beleives he's done a bad job on it.

Pretty damning. I'm surprised it's not in the teens.

[bcredliner]

Even some of his base disapproves of his handling of COVID 19 and it is likely that will grow as states, counties or cities pull back on opening phases due to increased infections. Trump has constantly downplayed the pandemic. He can't change his position now. It is likely unemployment will rise as businesses have to limit access or close. And pressing for school openings that will result in flareups is going to hurt his rating further. And if children die that hits way too close to home for everyone.

[Maruzo]

The double down on the school reopening is another rookie move. Although there's been no real proof that opening schools can translate to more covid cases.

It is still not a wise political decision. If the cases doesn't flare up you still have the massive infection base to deal with. If it does flare up, then you're completely screwed for sure.

There's no real economic benefit to opening up the schools. So i'm really curious why he's insisting on it.

[bcredliner]

Schools opening lowers the unemployment numbers, improves the economy and probably improves stock market numbers.

All the direct and indirect supporting jobs for schools will be back to work, dual income parents can both work, child care industry is back in business there is a very long list of side effect impacts that will help the economy.

If it causes spikes or children die that's quite OK, no big deal. Trump has no empathy. If it increases cases of COVID 19 he will blame it on somebody else. While he says schools must open he is also saying the process is up to the states or local school districts to determine the guidelines.

Trump has said the the CDC guidelines are too restrictive. If the school openings increase cases he will have no problem saying they did not follow federal guidelines. He is distancing his administration from the CDC and its key people. He will blame all past and future mismanagement of COVID19 on the WHO and CDC leaders. He will continue to say we are lucky he went against their recommendations early on, he saved millions of lives, did all the right things very early. He did a great job. The CDC and WHO leadership are responsible for all the bad things. He may even throw Pence under the bus.

[Maruzo]

You’re absolutely right.

I didn’t think deep about the financial resources the massive public school system influences /commands.

I have a niece in Chicago who recently is allowed back to her classrooms in northwestern. Yet the ones in California continue with their college education via online classes only.

Statistics have found that there’s a larger number of young patients in the recent positive cases.

The older population has suffered the most and hopefully learned to follow the guidelines. But there’s more danger ahead if the younger kids don’t catch on quickly and follow suit.

[EODguy]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

Schools opening lowers the unemployment numbers, improves the economy and probably improves stock market numbers.

All the direct and indirect supporting jobs for schools will be back to work, dual income parents can both work, child care industry is back in business there is a very long list of side effect impacts that will help the economy.

If it causes spikes or children die that's quite OK, no big deal. Trump has no empathy. If it increases cases of COVID 19 he will blame it on somebody else. While he says schools must open he is also saying the process is up to the states or local school districts to determine the guidelines.

Trump has said the the CDC guidelines are too restrictive. If the school openings increase cases he will have no problem saying they did not follow federal guidelines. He is distancing his administration from the CDC and its key people. He will blame all past and future mismanagement of COVID19 on the WHO and CDC leaders. He will continue to say we are lucky he went against their recommendations early on, he saved millions of lives, did all the right things very early. He did a great job. The CDC and WHO leadership are responsible for all the bad things. He may even throw Pence under the bus.

You probably don't realize that since February to 11 July that in the entire United States there were (30) thirty deaths from covid19 in children aged (15) fifteen and below per the CDC.... Also understand that even children with compromised health have been through coronavirus without issue many more times than adults with the same health conditions who have had a harder time with covid19.

You seem to base your entire objection to things based upon your political stance and not on facts. I find that extremely disingenuous especially since you say Trump doesn't care about the people only the economy yet you don't care enough about the people to realize that those same people will be either living in a tent or trying to swap a sofa for a bag of groceries if they don't get an income stream restarted.

If you have ever played slots, cards, etc for money you have taken a greater risk with your financial wealth than you would be if you went to work/school now based on percentages only (350,000,000 ppl vs 125,000 deaths) everyone in the world today will die (fact) but out of those positive covid19 cases 4% have died. Now take 125 thousand and divide by 350 million and that is the actual percentage chance you have of dying...

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[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by EODguy

You probably don't realize that since February to 11 July that in the entire United States there were (30) thirty deaths from covid19 in children aged (15) fifteen and below per the CDC.... Also understand that even children with compromised health have been through coronavirus without issue many more times than adults with the same health conditions who have had a harder time with covid19.

You seem to base your entire objection to things based upon your political stance and not on facts. I find that extremely disingenuous especially since you say Trump doesn't care about the people only the economy yet you don't care enough about the people to realize that those same people will be either living in a tent or trying to swap a sofa for a bag of groceries if they don't get an income stream restarted.

If you have ever played slots, cards, etc for money you have taken a greater risk with your financial wealth than you would be if you went to work/school now based on percentages only (350,000,000 ppl vs 125,000 deaths) everyone in the world today will die (fact) but out of those positive covid19 cases 4% have died. Now take 125 thousand and divide by 350 million and that is the actual percentage chance you have of dying...

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Back to using your go to word- disingenuous

My view about national leadership would be the same regardless of who is president if they were handling the COVID 19 pandemic as Trump is.

Human life is sacred and it is vile to purposely put anyone at risk. And it is not just about putting children in harms way but that the children infected, regardless of their low risk of death, will potentially infect adults and individuals at high risk. How many children or adults infected, hospitalized, in ICUs or die is too many?

I do care about those that have financial difficulties. How will low income folks that contract the virus pay their hospital bills when so many don't have health insurance? The fact is that going back too soon as many states have done and/or not following CDC guidelines for opening is putting those same people at risk of infection or worse. I think the count of states that have a rising number of cases is now around 39. We already have 5 alarm fires, about 70,000 new cases everyday and rising so lets pour gas on the flames and send children back to school?

It is clear both financial strife and containing the virus are in conflict. It is also clear what it takes to bring the virus under control. Unless we abide by the CDC guidelines both will be much worse over the longterm. At this point the scales are obviously tipped in favor of re-opening. Some states are already rolling back their opening plans or mandating masks because of the ensuing spikes. So when it gets to the nut cutting they know what the right thing to do is.

It is appalling that Home Depot, Lowes, Walmart etc are leading the way mandating masks. What does that say about national leadership when major retailers are doing more than the Trump administration to get COVID 19 under control? Other countries and some states have put together very similar plans that have been successful getting the virus under control. And national leadership doesn't have the sense or doesn't want to use those successful plans as national models and influence states to abide by those successful plans?

[ard]

Originally Posted by EODguy

You probably don't realize that since February to 11 July that in the entire United States there were (30) thirty deaths from covid19 in children aged (15) fifteen and below per the CDC.... Also understand that even children with compromised health have been through coronavirus without issue many more times than adults with the same health conditions who have had a harder time with covid19.

You seem to base your entire objection to things based upon your political stance and not on facts. I find that extremely disingenuous especially since you say Trump doesn't care about the people only the economy yet you don't care enough about the people to realize that those same people will be either living in a tent or trying to swap a sofa for a bag of groceries if they don't get an income stream restarted.

If you have ever played slots, cards, etc for money you have taken a greater risk with your financial wealth than you would be if you went to work/school now based on percentages only (350,000,000 ppl vs 125,000 deaths) everyone in the world today will die (fact) but out of those positive covid19 cases 4% have died. Now take 125 thousand and divide by 350 million and that is the actual percentage chance you have of dying...

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This is the kind of simplistic thinking that the conservative crowd seems to really attach to. Any explanation that involve expertise, are rejected in favor of math they can do on a watch calculator it seems.... no wonder Trump controls the non-college educated crowd... what rock are you living under to divide two numbers and declare that is 'todays' risk????????


What is your risk of dying if you get sick need a hospital and all beds are full? Calculate that number for us. Furthermore, lets say it isnt coid. lets say it is something else. Tell us what two numbers to divide.


(And declaring that' the media is wrong and hospitals being full is a hoax' is not an answer.)







So kids. Kids dont die from covid. Who gives a F? Thats not why they cant go to school.


Having a population of kids going to school every day will create a massive reservoir of infection. Heres how:
- Kids will not be tested regularly
- They will only get tested when they show symptoms
- Due to our slow testing results, HIPAA laws, etc, it will be days and weeks before test results are communicated to schools. Actions will be slow
- Disease will spread quietly across the entire school population
- Families that need childcare- that need kids in school so they can go to work- will be over-represented in the kids in school. These tend to be adults that go ON to have otehr contacts outside the home, every day.

- Families that think it is all a hoax will likewise be over-represented in this population


Meanwhile, after a few weeks of school, these kids are going home every night. Infecting everyone in the family. Weekends at the mall, with older family members.


The idea that kids dont get it, kids dont die, kids dont pass it along AND- importantly- when they are 'going to school' there is some kind of bubble around them such that the only environment in which they interact is 'school' - is woefully simplistic.



Finally, another FOX talking point: Other countries have done it. LOL. Countries which have testing. Countries that have CONTACT TRACING. Countries that have their pandemic under control. We have idiots here in the USA that refuse to wear masks, that refuse to talk with contact tracers ("Im an American, if I wanna kill myself its my G D right, boy! Aint gonna talk with no pinko wanting to know where I was")


Sorry to be so short, people are dying, people are ignorant, and ive just had it with BS.