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Old 07-10-2020, 02:47 PM
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One can close out all their social media accounts but social media isn't going away. I see a need for us to stay involved and help those that are swayed by bad information to have an opportunity to at least read some of the true story. Some will question what they think to be true. It's a certainty that social media will evolve and if nothing is done it will likely get worse. I can't imagine leaving social media as is for the next generation.

What is the difference in speaking out about COVID19 and Trump then doing the same concerning social media? When any of my Facebook friends posts what I believe is false information I challenge them.

My brother is a veteran and he believes Trump has really helped veterans so he supports him. Last summer we debated points of view. I don't know if anything changed but he realized he wasn't looking at the whole picture, barely beyond the veteran hospital improvements. We live a thousand miles apart and we private message about the subject now and then. He no longer posts any Trump BS. I don't ask who he will vote for but I know he will at least consider not voting for Trump.
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Old 07-15-2020, 01:50 AM
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Its the story about Clint Lorance, his trial, sentence and media-circus pardon and how that process has destroyed members of the platoon.







Id very much like to hear from a service member what they think about this whole thing...but these days topics like this are off-limits
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Old 07-17-2020, 12:41 PM
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His approval rating on the handling of the covid crisis went from 51% in march to the 40s in May and this month it has dropped to 38%.

60% beleives he's done a bad job on it.

Pretty damning. I'm surprised it's not in the teens.
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Old 07-17-2020, 01:17 PM
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Even some of his base disapproves of his handling of COVID 19 and it is likely that will grow as states, counties or cities pull back on opening phases due to increased infections. Trump has constantly downplayed the pandemic. He can't change his position now. It is likely unemployment will rise as businesses have to limit access or close. And pressing for school openings that will result in flareups is going to hurt his rating further. And if children die that hits way too close to home for everyone.
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Old 07-17-2020, 02:33 PM
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The double down on the school reopening is another rookie move. Although there's been no real proof that opening schools can translate to more covid cases.

It is still not a wise political decision. If the cases doesn't flare up you still have the massive infection base to deal with. If it does flare up, then you're completely screwed for sure.

There's no real economic benefit to opening up the schools. So i'm really curious why he's insisting on it.
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Schools opening lowers the unemployment numbers, improves the economy and probably improves stock market numbers.

All the direct and indirect supporting jobs for schools will be back to work, dual income parents can both work, child care industry is back in business there is a very long list of side effect impacts that will help the economy.

If it causes spikes or children die that's quite OK, no big deal. Trump has no empathy. If it increases cases of COVID 19 he will blame it on somebody else. While he says schools must open he is also saying the process is up to the states or local school districts to determine the guidelines.

Trump has said the the CDC guidelines are too restrictive. If the school openings increase cases he will have no problem saying they did not follow federal guidelines. He is distancing his administration from the CDC and its key people. He will blame all past and future mismanagement of COVID19 on the WHO and CDC leaders. He will continue to say we are lucky he went against their recommendations early on, he saved millions of lives, did all the right things very early. He did a great job. The CDC and WHO leadership are responsible for all the bad things. He may even throw Pence under the bus.
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Youíre absolutely right.

I didnít think deep about the financial resources the massive public school system influences /commands.

I have a niece in Chicago who recently is allowed back to her classrooms in northwestern. Yet the ones in California continue with their college education via online classes only.

Statistics have found that thereís a larger number of young patients in the recent positive cases.

The older population has suffered the most and hopefully learned to follow the guidelines. But thereís more danger ahead if the younger kids donít catch on quickly and follow suit.
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Schools opening lowers the unemployment numbers, improves the economy and probably improves stock market numbers.

All the direct and indirect supporting jobs for schools will be back to work, dual income parents can both work, child care industry is back in business there is a very long list of side effect impacts that will help the economy.

If it causes spikes or children die that's quite OK, no big deal. Trump has no empathy. If it increases cases of COVID 19 he will blame it on somebody else. While he says schools must open he is also saying the process is up to the states or local school districts to determine the guidelines.

Trump has said the the CDC guidelines are too restrictive. If the school openings increase cases he will have no problem saying they did not follow federal guidelines. He is distancing his administration from the CDC and its key people. He will blame all past and future mismanagement of COVID19 on the WHO and CDC leaders. He will continue to say we are lucky he went against their recommendations early on, he saved millions of lives, did all the right things very early. He did a great job. The CDC and WHO leadership are responsible for all the bad things. He may even throw Pence under the bus.
You probably don't realize that since February to 11 July that in the entire United States there were (30) thirty deaths from covid19 in children aged (15) fifteen and below per the CDC.... Also understand that even children with compromised health have been through coronavirus without issue many more times than adults with the same health conditions who have had a harder time with covid19.

You seem to base your entire objection to things based upon your political stance and not on facts. I find that extremely disingenuous especially since you say Trump doesn't care about the people only the economy yet you don't care enough about the people to realize that those same people will be either living in a tent or trying to swap a sofa for a bag of groceries if they don't get an income stream restarted.

If you have ever played slots, cards, etc for money you have taken a greater risk with your financial wealth than you would be if you went to work/school now based on percentages only (350,000,000 ppl vs 125,000 deaths) everyone in the world today will die (fact) but out of those positive covid19 cases 4% have died. Now take 125 thousand and divide by 350 million and that is the actual percentage chance you have of dying...

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The school kids may/are probably at low risk for serious effects of CV 19, other than the anecdotal death/serious afflictions from the virus. I think many of us are aware of that v slight impact on school age children...

The people at risk are the teachers, admins, bus drivers, and the parents/grand parents that are in close contact with 'the kids'.

I get that kids ought to be in school: it's good for them/better learning situ/social, etc , not to mention that a considerable % of families in the US have two parents 'working' and the kid(s) in school time allows for my parents to get back to their outside the house jobs, if they still have a job.

'Back to work' helps the mental health of us all as a nation, and of course the Econ...

The state and local school boards are in a no win situ and are trying to figure out how to get them back 'safely', and weighing the risks the kids 'take home' with them...a bit of Damocles Sword in a way.

For the elected idiots, (either 'party'), to pound the table and push, cajole, 'demand' that 'schools reopen' is simply political theater based on whim and party driven platitudes, imo.

Of one were to line up 20 top epidemologists/viral research people and ask "How is it going, is the virus eroding in severity, will it come around in a stronger fashion, what are the estimated risk components, what is 'your opin', et al" and on and on, I suspect we would get a dozen+ opins.

But at least those opins and comments are coming from medical people who have the education and scientific background to make a comment/opin...our elected knuckleheads, (with v few exceptions who have medical/science degrees), are just opining on what they would like to have happen, and again 'bs party politics' driven and often derisive, divisive and polarized simply for effect.

I surely don't have the answer(s), but as a grand parent and very close to our 17 yr old about to be HS senior, I don't want to 'get it' and see/hope I am one of the 'lucky ones'.

My point of view on wanting to dodge the current version of SARS-CoV-2 is personal, I understand, but for many of us it is personal. So is the Econ, biz in general, our population's mental & physical health, et al.

Not arm wrestling, but just pivoting off a stat that shows low hospitalization/even lower death rate and suggesting that school kids are 'insulated' at school is disingenuous at best.

Stats are all over the net from hundreds of sources; I follow this crap closely, (I have a debilitating neuro condition and an erratic at best immune system), and even with close reading from many sources it is v difficult to get a handle on it in terms of its current seriousness, mid to longer term impact on humans, and on and fookin on.

In the meantime, I am careful but not paranoid and other than chasing the ball 3-4 days a week with a rare trip to Walmart/et al, we have pretty much refrained from our usual social stuff. A pity and discouraging, as in our early 70s we don't have 'years to be patient and wait out' this situ.

Back at the semi-Political Ranch, current elected idiots of either party and the appointed toadies in 'authority', esp the non med legions, are simply talking heads with an agenda, imo. "Bread & circuses" has not changed much over the millennia, just the amount and the media driven short/hyperbolic news cycle.

Back to snooze, and dodging the fookin Cooties...Be safe and careful out there.
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I agree with most of what you said motordavid and thanks for a point of view that is not based solely on politics

Everyone should have the option on work vs. not working or schooling, health risks, etc.

I hope you and yours stay healthy and do what is necessary for your personal situation.

Stay safe

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