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Old 03-17-2017, 04:00 PM
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That looks great prop!

Please tell us again, what size those woofers are.

I have retrofitted a factory DSP sub and aftermarket separate amp into my E53 and love the improvement. Now with the separate subwoofer volume control of the Eonon GA6166 it is even better.

I like the factory DSP solution for its enclosure simplicity, its already designed to go into the rear side well of the vehicle.

Getting a nicer sound out of it as opposed to the over 10 year old speakers that are in it would be a another great upgrade even for those of us without factory DSP, IMHO, this is a great, quick and simple sub solution and the enclosures are plentiful on eBay.

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Thanks to RB for his idea to strip the factory mid ranges...
Ok so I took my time last night to:
remove the factory dash mids,
Using a soldering gun I heated up the solder and simply pulled the factory wire harness off which left me with nice solder covered wire ends,
remove the magnet off the black plastic basket using a drywall trawl and then dremel off 3 "legs" of the basket (leaving the leg with resistor clip),
then cut off speaker cone and cleaned up surface where old cone adhered to rim (so now I have a naked black ring essentially to let my new speakers sit in),
cut the new Fountek speakers from square metal to round and press fit into naked ring (lining up new + & - terminals close to where the original position is). I needed NO adhesive at all since when I press fit my cut metal edges into plastic it was catching and holding inside the black plastic ring extremely well. So a test fit was all that was needed. I couldn't remove them easily (tho I could).
Soldered on the wires (first time soldering and it's an art form I found out),
Sat back and enjoyed the perfectly factory looking speakers again.
Installed and have been enjoying the cleaner sounds. I have always thought the tweeters and mid range speakers have sounded muddled, and after installing these Fountek's I sooooo agree that the pillows have been removed. Now I'm curious how new JL C2 600 tweeters will also brighten up the sounds.

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Old 03-18-2017, 11:25 AM
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Ok so I took my time last night to:
remove the factory dash mids,
Using a soldering gun I heated up the solder and simply pulled the factory wire harness off which left me with nice solder covered wire ends,
remove the magnet off the black plastic basket using a drywall trawl and then dremel off 3 "legs" of the basket (leaving the leg with resistor clip),
then cut off speaker cone and cleaned up surface where old cone adhered to rim (so now I have a naked black ring essentially to let my new speakers sit in),
cut the new Fountek speakers from square metal to round and press fit into naked ring (lining up new + & - terminals close to where the original position is). I needed NO adhesive at all since when I press fit my cut metal edges into plastic it was catching and holding inside the black plastic ring extremely well. So a test fit was all that was needed. I couldn't remove them easily (tho I could).
Soldered on the wires (first time soldering and it's an art form I found out),
Sat back and enjoyed the perfectly factory looking speakers again.
Installed and have been enjoying the cleaner sounds. I have always thought the tweeters and mid range speakers have sounded muddled, and after installing these Fountek's I sooooo agree that the pillows have been removed. Now I'm curious how new JL C2 600 tweeters will also brighten up the sounds.

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Hi Clockwork,

Your mod sounds great and sounds like you had the same reaction that I did to the improved sound when I did my E53 dash mids to Memphis Audio.

I predict you are going to LOVE the C2 improvement you get in the door woofers

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Look forward to installing the front door Speakers today.

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I will need to pull the panels again and make myself feel better ab it.
Today was the day to FINISH the E46!! I *did* pull the driver's panel on it again to rearrange the 6" sub solder and OE connection. It was a good thing, too. The solder I'd thrown together late on Sunday night was a shambles. I used the revised method for the passenger front. I'd also forgotten the JL tweeter on the driver's side. Interesting note: OE tweeters are 4ohm in E46 HK. Who knew?

The passenger front speakers were WAY easier after having a template from the drivers side. I was able to use OE connections on all speakers. I even soldered the wires before wrapping them in heat shrink. I took the same time as I had on the others to cover it in GTMat.

I went for my first drive since I had done either front doors. This thing sounds like a new car! Rather.. it *doesn't* sound like a new car would... n't? I took my daughter around the block and even she was impressed. The knocks and rattles that used to run into the cabin from bumps, rail tracks, road noise, engine noise.. They're just muted.

The sound coming from the speakers... JL's all around.. and Memphis in the front and rear mids. It's just outstanding. Streaming music over bluetooth offers clean bass. With music on, the outside world is one to be observed with your eyes, not your ears. That's not to say it's a vault. You can still hear some noise, but the rattles and high-pitched, metallic dings are just gone.

I cannot WAIT to get this done in the E53. I walked immediately from the E46 to it today. It's a LOT more quiet just by itself than the E46 was stock. The difference in doing the doors is going to be awesome.

Finally, here's a funny observation: I have completely redone the sound system, speakers and head unit in 2 BMW's. Both are 2002's! And I did them 30 years apart!

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That looks great prop!

Please tell us again, what size those woofers are.
They're 6". I got them in the cheapie bin at Amazon. Here.

I think that 5.75 or 5.5 would be better cause it could be trimmed more closely to stock sizes. I cannot say how it actually sounds. I gave it to a service writer at the shop so he could drop it in his '01 (or '02) with DSP. I haven't remembered to ask him ab it.
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Way to go Prop!

Likewise, I finished my E46 today also with the install of the Amazon mids in the rear doors.

WOW, it is so much clearer and crisp back there now.

In the pics below you can understand why, given the condition of the 15 year old paper and foam mids. Here is my deconstruction sequence and to make the Amazon mids work, I shaved the existing mounting plate down to a flat surface and applied silicone glue. For good measure I curled the ears over onto the mounting plate.

These Amazon mids look amazingly similar to the Memphis Audio mids.

As for sound, the Vifa/Peerless are a good bit better sounding and punch way above their weight/size class as compared to the Amazon mids. The Vifa/Peerless are punching out a little more volume and clarity than the Amazon mids to my ears but maybe that's the HK system balance or efficiency differences between the Vifa and the Amazon (PowerBass S-275CF). Either way, I'm glad I'm in the front.

Overall, as I said, a great improvement in brightness and clarity in the rear from the old broken factory units



















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Old 03-18-2017, 07:45 PM
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Thanks for the DSP substitute speaker info Prop.

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Old 03-19-2017, 10:25 AM
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Clean work Mike (and Mike) - Clockwork Mike I am thoroughly glad you are enjoying the Fountek drivers in the dash and can't wait to hear your thoughts on the JL C2 in the front doors as you also have DSP like me.

And Prop yes I saw your Pyle's however I am trying to keep in spirit of this thread with an OEM+ woofer upgrade for the rear that keeps the factory DSP amp happy. Which is why I was interested with the Daytons at 40w RMS per woofer however I am wondering how to wire as most replacement woofers are SVC setup -
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RB, I'm just waiting for silicone to cure before putting the perfect fitting JL woofers back into the doors. Tweeters were an absolute joke to replace. I have a few pics of it being done.



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