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Old 01-23-2013, 10:56 AM
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If you really want an example, read this. This is one example
of Communist gun control and the end results.

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OMG, this article is written in half-a$$ed fashion by a guy who had no idea what he was talking about.

SU special force Alpha attacked presidential palace to rescue Taraki but they were too late. the Soviet 40th army moved across Oxus river into the afgan land, for the 4th time in the XX century. it happened on Dec 27, 1979, at request of Taraki, duly elected president of the presidential palace (i remember that date, as it is my birthday date... )

the afgan had gun not to "protect" themselves - they grew (and still grow) hash and wanted to protect it... simple as that - where you have narcotics, you have guns...

my cousin was in afganistan in 1986, the soviets lost air not because of the stingers, they lost the presense due to internal changes in the politcal situation in moscow...

and somehow Polish Solidarnost got involved into this line of crap - I did a paper in the college, in 1985 on the Solidarnost movement, it started as a political demand and grew into criminal, free-for-all pogroms in Warsaw...

Mike, you are getting fed Propaganda by the Government that you will NOT ever rise against to - so, why cite DC vs. Heller where the "right" to bear arms is reduced to defense against criminals, and a moment later claim the 2nd amendment right to "correct" rogue government?

The 2nd amendment has been substituted long time ago - you can either stick to the original, and present your arms for service in well regulated militia, or, stick to todays reality, and admit to yourself, that you will never ever go against the US government, and need the guns to carry out your view of street justice.

And besides, have you read Karl Marx? do you know that his work, capital, is more capitalistic, than socialistic? the Wall Street operates on the principles outlined in that book...

and I hear that the US is not democracy but a republic... what another nonsense is that??? Republic is derived from Latin Res Publica, something belonging to the public, as opposed to belonging to a monarch. which is the wording behind at least two commonwealths that I know about, the Pennsylvania and the Virginia... Common... The root of the word Common is public, something belonging to community... don't you think that defending Republic, you are defending the main, original principle of the communism? granted, what we KNOW about the communism comes from execution of it in the USSR, or in the French Republic that turned into Empire...either were not the visions of Robespiere who got beheaded for treason, as he raised dessent, nor Lenin, who was left to die in relative isolation, while the power was overtaken by some rogue dictators...

thank God, it should not happen in the US, our democracy is strong enough after 200 years of existence...

JCL, this argument sounds more and more like someone trying to take away a favorite toy from a kid - as the matter is viewed from two different planes of view, it will be hard to convince the kid, the he has overgrown his toys...
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Old 01-23-2013, 11:07 AM
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Tx, your still here? I thought we
established your lack of respect
for both sides of the argument
removed your input as viable. :-))
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In all of history, has there EVER been a civilization that prevailed against a technologically superior invader who was committed to total warfare? I think not, but am willing to be schooled.

Based on the assumption that there has not been such a civilization, I don't see what people who hoard a few hundred guns think they can really do against a government that is acknowledged to have the most powerful military force on the Earth. I think those who believe they can hold off the American Military - committed to your destruction are simply delusional.
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Old 01-23-2013, 11:30 AM
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In all of history, has there EVER been a civilization that prevailed against a technologically superior invader who was committed to total warfare? I think not, but am willing to be schooled.

Based on the assumption that there has not been such a civilization, I don't see what people who hoard a few hundred guns think they can really do against a government that is acknowledged to have the most powerful military force on the Earth. I think those who believe they can hold off the American Military - committed to your destruction are simply delusional.

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In all of history, has there EVER been a civilization that prevailed against a technologically superior invader who was committed to total warfare? I think not, but am willing to be schooled.

Based on the assumption that there has not been such a civilization, I don't see what people who hoard a few hundred guns think they can really do against a government that is acknowledged to have the most powerful military force on the Earth. I think those who believe they can hold off the American Military - committed to your destruction are simply delusional.
Did you read the article on Afganistan?
Have any recollection of Russia's
and now our failure in Afganistan?
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Did you read the article on Afganistan?
Have any recollection of Russia's
and now our failure in Afganistan?
You think the USSR was committed to TOTAL Warfare in Afghanistan?
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:21 PM
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blktop - the article on afgan is piece of trash written by someone who had no clue about afgan, soviet union, poland, hungary or yugoslavia... if you care, find your own sources.

afgans were and still are defending the poppy crops... you have opium - you have guns around it... not to diminish the strategic value of old Silk Road - the afgan warlords are collecting a "tax" on every truck passing through their territory (usually a $1 for unit of cargo - 100 bails of something = $100, 500 CD players = $500 US$).

Russia can sustain a war far better than the US - everytime a war stepped into Russia, they survived... 1812 failure of Napoleon. 1945 failure of Hitler... most time they stepped out of Russia - they failed (not counting that Alps mission with General Suvorov, which was successful). in 1986 there was a huge dissent (Academician Sakharov), which raised awareness inside Russia. which dwindled the support for the war...
We are failing in afgan because we thought we could fast forward feudalic society stuck in Middle Ages into the XXI century... which proved not to be working...
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You think the USSR was committed to TOTAL Warfare in Afghanistan?
remember the August of 2008, when then newly elected Medvedev moved 1 mln man army into a 4 mln man nation of Georgia?

if soviets really wanted to commit to war in afgan, there would be no ethnic afganis left... like, ethnic talysh... or ethnic assirians... how often have you heard about those?

soviets were tippy-toeing with the war, and after death of Brezhnev in 1982, wanted to get out (with exemption of Andropov rule, he had a very tight grip on the ussr. even almost started a nuclear war with US during NATO"s Able Archer war game)
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You guys wanna post some facts to
back up anything you say?
Or do we just go with your
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Being effected by gun violence can change your opinion.

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