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Old 12-09-2020, 12:56 PM
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Wow, he has been a breath of FRESH AIR for America. We have not had a president since Regan that wanted to put America first...
Well, be sure to get your bunker ready for January when Trump has to hand the reigns over. I'm all for America first and draining the swamp. Trump achieved neither. Nor do I believe that was ever really his goal

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I agree that there is rot in both political parties and that major reforms need to be made, especially for national fair and uniform voting system in every state; basic political campaign reform; term limits for Senators, Representative, and Supreme Court Justices, lobbying regulations, etc...
I agree with much of your sentiment. I can't wait for him to be gone either. My gripe is always that people pick sides and decide theirs is good and the other is bad. No one way of thinking is the correct way 100% of the time. Sometimes a liberal approach is probably best while sometimes a conservative approach is probably best in the best interest of the general public. And sometimes a combination of the two ideals. Compromise, with an end goal of improving the lives of the citizenry.

Trump is no more evil (politically that is, humanly he is a POS) than Obama or Bush II or Clinton was. They are all corrupted by a life in politics and not having to participate in regular society with the rest of us. Washington has it's own society and it wants to keep it that way. Obama did not fulfill some of his campaign promises either. Some that I was very interested in him doing (ending spying on American citizens and having a more transparent administration comes to mind).

The system really and truly is corrupt. Trump's errors will be corrected by the next administration, all while making entirely new ones in the interest of their corporate and special interest overlords. The only thing not "correctable" is the Supreme Court, but given their recent decisions against Trump, they are at least giving off the air of respecting their SC seat and voting following the Constitution. *Fingers crossed*
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This will not get handed over to Liberal/Socialist army party....I believe justice will be served once in SCOTUS's hands.

With your state Texas and now several other following in the law suit against the other states odd that you are a socialist and align with the liberals given that you live in Texas. I have lived around the world and have seen socialist/communisms 1st hand and I do not want it in my America?

Stop watching the lap dog media and doing some research of your own....

I will be at the front lines defending against the Antifa, BLM and whom ever I have sacrificed too much to watch American transform into this NWO/Great Reset

I have no problem to be able to agree to disagree....I know the difference between feelings and fact...so I hope you dont take anything personally

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Old 12-09-2020, 01:40 PM
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This will not get handed over to Liberal/Socialist army party....I believe justice will be served once in SCOTUS's hands...

I have no problem to be able to agree to disagree....I know the difference between feelings and fact...so I hope you dont take anything personally
No worries on taking it personally. I assure you I am far from liberal. I love living in Texas, own guns, and support conservative spending. But I am not right wing either. Not sure why you'd call me socialist just because I don't support Trump. If the Republicans had ANY other candidate I might have voted their way.

I don't support Antifa or The Pride Boys. BLM is an anti police violence movement and it is their right to demonstrate. So long as it is in a lawful manner, I support that. The Constitution protects it.

Sounds like you served in the military. Thank you for your service. We are all Americans, the sooner we realize our government is pitting us against each other, the sooner we can get our middle class and manufacturing industry back.
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Trump will leave the White house but not when and in the same fashion as past presidents. Losing the election has pushed Trump into a corner. In the twisted world of a malignant narcissist the response is to increase destructive behavior toward others and/or himself. He will still see himself as President. He will continue to feed his base inciting them to be the worst that they can be. Every good thing Biden does will be viscously attacked, attempting to twist it into something that threatens our freedom. As Biden reverses the actions he has taken such as rejoining the Paris Treaty or 100 days of wearing masks his rage will increase. He will be obsessed with protecting what he sees as his legacy.

I expect quasi rallies and some semblance of a press conference but that won't be enough. He has to escalate his destructive behavior toward others. He has to find something to feed his ego. The first choice will be greater destruction as it feeds his ego and is pleasurable to him. Twitter, rallies and press conferences won't be enough. He will have to find another platform that won't censor him and will reach the world.

We are lost deep in the woods with a toxic stalking predator to hinder our way back to functional country. Everything we despise about Trump's behavior will get worse and worse. He will try to take his 'enemies' down with him. When that behavior fails he will retreat only long enough to create an opportunity to return to power as the US president.

The best course of action to stop him is a long prison term where there is little to no outlet for his rage. In the meantime fasten your seatbelt it's going to be a rough ride. Oh, is there someone that can take the nuc button from him?
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There's no left and no media creating conspiracies to overthrow your way of life. Or vice versa.

There's only your deranged idea of who everybody needs to be.

This guy is not fit to be a city hall councilman, much less the POTUS.

Listen to what this life long republican has to say about his work as an elections official:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000501591747
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WOW is right!

[QUOTE=HellRazor35;1195866]Wow, he has been a breath of FRESH AIR for America. We have not had a president since Regan that wanted to put America first.

Who says that you have to be part of the elite class to run for any office. Everyone in DC works for us..."WE THE PEOPLE" not "US THE Gov't"

Never before have I seen such a narcissistic President than the "OBAMANATION"

He created so much division in American, who was he? A community agitator! Foreign Socialist, Communist/Marxist?

A Post Turtle......Was put up in a high position, has no idea how he got there, has no idea how to get down...but the Million dollar questions is who in the F!@#ing dumb A$$ that put him up there. This is the story for 90% of DC.

Things with come into better focus as the largest STING in the US history concludes and people go to jail and American continues down the path to becoming "GREAT AGAIN!"

Stop watching the lap dog media as they try and spin their fake narrative to cover for the Left. Notice how they are scrambling to get the sheep to believe that there was not election fraud?

Who the F!@# are they to call it? Our US Constitution is clear cut how this will be handled.

It will go to SCOTUS and justice will be served!!

Once this is done the Executive Order on Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election will come into light

Read the order and you will understand why the left and the media are really scared..doing everything they can now not to be exposed

https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...ates-election/

This tirade is an excellent example of those that will continue to embrace Trump's behavior and embrace the escalated rage with comparable rage of their own. With bated breath they await what they see as their return to power and misguided self righteousness and what constitutes our freedom.
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WOW is right

This tirade is an excellent example of those that will continue to embrace Trump's behavior and embrace the escalated rage with comparable rage of their own. With bated breath they await what they see as their return to power and misguided self righteousness and what constitutes our freedom.
I agree. Unfortunately, that poster is delusional, preferring to accept fiction as truth, instead of inconvenient honesty based on facts. I think he is typical of many Trump supporters who are regretfully, very gullible and naïve and therefore easily manipulated by a con man like Donald Trump. He and others like him are desperately putting their hopes of reversing the will of the majority of voting Americans, in multiple laughable lawsuits, filed in various States, as well as the US Supreme Court, but lacking any proof or evidence, where they have then been summarily dismissed. What they essentially are hoping for is a coup by whatever means, to keep their self-avowed savior in office, as opposed to being incarcerated in prison where he really belongs.

Alas, it is a shame, but people believe what they want to believe, regardless of the overwhelming evidence, truth and facts....

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I agree. Unfortunately, that poster is delusional, preferring to accept fiction as truth, instead of inconvenient honesty based on facts. He and others like him are desperately putting their hopes of reversing the will of the majority of voting Americans, in multiple laughable lawsuits, filed in various States, as well as the US Supreme Court, but lacking any proof or evidence, where they have then been summarily dismissed. What they essentially are hoping for is a coup by whatever means, to keep their self-avowed savior in office, as opposed to being incarcerated in prison where he really belongs.

Alas, it is a shame, but people believe what they want to believe, regardless of the overwhelming evidence, truth and facts....

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I think in the days and weeks following the inauguration and then again when summer is in full swing there will be violent demonstrations. There are those folks that will leap at the chance use their guns. I can hear Trump saying something like---You are the greatest of patriots, we are the only ones that can save the America we love. God is on our side. The time to standby is gone. (with a---like no one as ever seen thrown before in there somewhere)
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One thing of interest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNKhyxnqGFI

Trump benefited from a memo from the justice department of the Nixon era that stated the President can't get indicted but vice president can.

The justice department did it as a favor to Nixon, not as a "get out of jail free" card for all future president, but this memo became just that for Trump.

Interesting to see how a self-serving memo designed to relinguish all criminal charges for a sitting president years ago became Trump's saving grace under the Muller's investigation.
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Yes, the 2020 presidential election is really over.....!!!!

I believe that all of the lawsuits alleging supposed voter/election fraud that were filed in various courts in multiple states over the past month, have either been dismissed or failed, due to lack of any justifiable evidence or proof. Essentially, the final verdict on these unsubstantiated claims occurred this past Friday with the U.S. Supreme Court, by a vote of 7 to 2, when they refused to hear that wacko, "Hail Mary" suit brought by the Texas AG. I find it quite ironic and amusing that so many current Republicans hopped on that lawsuit bandwagon, when historically, Republicans have been the traditional proponents, championing the importance of "States Rights", upholding the U.S. Constitution that clearly says that it is up to each State to determine how they will conduct their elections. I assume that the US Supreme Court justices also took into consideration how the COVID-19 virus pandemic created unique and extraordinary circumstances this election year, in how we have traditionally mostly voted in person and the realization that mail-in ballots would be a much safer option.

Now that all 50 states have certified their vote count, it is time for those skeptics (Republicans), to accept that Joe Biden defeated Donald Trump by about 4.45% (according to the Pew Research Ctr.), having received a record of nearly 81.3 million votes, or 51.3% of all votes cast, which was 7 million more votes that Trump received. Biden is on track to receive 306 electoral votes, or 56.9% of the 538 total votes available and that he will become our next president in January 2021.

The stupid bloviating by some folks advocating secession from the United States of America or that are suggesting that we are nearing a possible Civil War 2.0, is as ridiculous as the liberal Democrats who threatened to leave the U.S. or to have the coastal states secede, after Trump was elected back in 2016. It is all just knee-jerk bluster by anonymous internet keyboard warriors who take the simple and easy path to pontificate and express their frustration, disappointment and anger with the results of the election. None of what they are proposing is going to happen.

Yet, I understand and am concerned that it is possible that some delusional, angry, paranoid people, either as lone wolfs or in small groups of pseudo-military heavily-armed, far right-wing, white nationalists militias, may participate in some violent disturbances and clashes around the country between now and Biden's inauguration. Much will depend on the outcome of the special election in Georgia in January that will decided which party will control the U.S. Senate. But those people are in the distinct minority and will not have the support of the vast majority of law-abiding citizens, regardless of political affiliations. I am sure that the various law enforcement departments will follow their oaths and preserve the civil peace and arrest those who commit any vandalism and/or violent crimes.

Most people, (myself included), recognize that there will be the mid-term elections in just two years where the job of those legislators up for re-election will be evaluated and decided on by the voters. Then, 2024 will be arriving two years after that and all of us will have another chance to decide who we want as POTUS. I certainly hope that our country, on both the state and federal level, will revisit and modify our voting laws to address many of the shortcomings and issues that were exposed in this years election. IMHO, a more clear and consistent approach on a national level on how we should vote would make sense.

But again, for all practical purposes, the 2020 presidential election has now been decided and will be formally finalized over the next three and a half weeks. Specifically, this coming Monday, December 14, 2020 with the vote by the Electoral College in each state, followed by the a joint session of Congress meeting on January 6, 2020, as a formality to count the Electoral Votes and declare the election results.

Now let's see if the incoming President-Elect Biden and his new administration can actually propose and enact programs that will really help ALL Americans, starting with properly addressing the surging and worsening COVID-19 virus pandemic...

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