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Old 05-21-2020, 03:43 PM
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I believe this as well. We acted too late. There was no leadership when we needed it.

Not sure exactly when/how that was supposed to happen.

The 20/20 hindsight solution would have been to preemptively put all the one foot in the grave people into prepared wings of hospice or hospital. Have some don't have it vs some do have it.

Unknown to probably almost everybody because it was not covered by the non news: the delay in the first round of tests was that they sent out like a million test kits that were contaminated with the virus. Not just did they always report positive, I suppose there was a possibility of infection of people in the process of collecting a sample! That alone added 2-3 weeks to the delay in testing. This was not a "leadership" issue the leaders put the ball in motion. The people making and distributing the tests screwed up and definitely due to how exponential curves work it could have been double the cases from that horribly timed hiccup.
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Old 05-20-2020, 07:11 PM
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Yeah Andrew I know what you mean. I’ve been popping Cetirizine like crazy to keep those issues from occurring.

The carbon dioxide thing is similar to when, a F1 car takes in dirty air. (This is a car forum, so that’s why I use this analogy). The car can catastrophically fail in certain circumstances.

Same goes for us. We are the most advanced creation on earth, however we are still susceptible to dirty air.

Masks can even lower your immune system.
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Old 05-20-2020, 07:33 PM
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Andrew this virus was in Texas definitely during the last week of December.
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Andrew this virus was in Texas definitely during the last week of December.
It was probably in every state by early january. Officially there were 100s of 1000s of people being treated for 'the bad flu' going around; we will never know how many of those were actually cv19 but it was *quite a lot of them*

400,000 people came to usa in the month from mid dec to mid jan… means quite likely 200,000 of them came before new years. if half of 1% of them carried the virus that's 1000 people with unrestricted travel around the entire usa, sharing the plane with 100s of people on the way, they say in close contact over 2:1 transmission so that means 3000 people maybe or 60 per state average where they were talking about 2, 3, 4 people per state by february 'officially'

Here's an example from the past of people putting their priorities in the wrong place to *not solve a problem*.

back in the 90s a university did a study on what comprises the items in a garbage dump; they also then interviewed 1000s of college students to ask them what they thought was the makeup of garbage.

What were students most concerned about filling out landfill (due to moronic PC culture)? styrofoam and disposable diapers… want to know what they thought those percentages were?

College students thought that diapers were 20-30% of garbage and likewise for styrofoam.

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McDonalds was the KEY to getting polystyrnene into the recycling channels and that was completely eliminated once big macs were switched to paper products.. ZERO percent of paper big mac containers will ever be recycled and 10s of 1000s of trees are turned into big mac containers now.

the truth of styrofoam in the dumps; 1/2 of 1% was and still is 30 years later styrofoam. was a non-issue, IS a non-issue. Any attempt to use something else will *aboslutely* be more impact on the environment, it's just too small of a thing.

disposable diapers; likewise; they were coincidentally also 1/2 of 1% of the trash; eliminating them 100% would put the trash down to 99.5% before you factor in any other trash made in the process of making cloth diapers, than factor in the ginormously large foot pint on the environment to clean a cloth diaper vs dispose of a throw away one.

Back to the covid; it's the same thing; we are crippling everything for the 1/2 a percent. we need to target the 1/2 a percent in THIS CASE it's worth saving because the 1/2 a percent are 100,000 american loved ones, but we *never* had to destroy the lives of 50-100 million americans to not save 100,000. There is no way to show that wasting the trillions in resources changed that number..

recall from the beginning of the shutdown phase, the *entire point* wasn't to change the total death count that from centuries of evidence shows it's inevitable, it was to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed and stretch out how long it took to get to the 100 or 200,000 people, to prevent it from doubling or worse because people couldn't be treated. Many if not most people lost sight of that concept completely (changing flatten the curve to wait for a cure bs).. We got ahead of the curve in mid april regardless of how high the death rate got, we never got close to the capabilities of how many hospital beds and ventilators were available for treatment. For no apolitical reason, the goal post keeps getting moved for hypothetical reasons.

I am literally the only person i know that has taken the 'jab your brain just behind your eye' covid-19 test and came back negative, but yes i wear a mask for the brief time i'm inside stores and when i'm in chicago I also wear gloves; i also put hand sanitizer on the outside of my gloves when i get to my car and treat my key. i've been doing this since january. Why do i do it knowing what i do know about the 1:100,000 chance i might have bumped into somebody with covid that might have coughed on my hands while i was in the store? Because it's not too difficult to do and I have a 79 yr old dad that lives downstairs from me mostly.

Would it makes a lot of sense to be able to concentrate the resources so I could maybe not need a mask and people in dense population areas would have more, OF COURSE IT WOULD. Will the powers that be ever be honest enough that we can make an educated decision on the matter. not a chance in hell.
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RE: X5 Unrelated, but Good Information in Times of Need

andrewwynn, you are a good man! I like your character.

Thank you for the information you provided. Very good read!
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andrewwynn, you are a good man! I like your character.

Thank you for the information you provided. Very good read!
i've been sucking in a lot since january and apparently been waiting for a time and a place to vent. Also xo is 'my other family' and i want to help inform people in my family so they can be a little smarter about how they go about their business and not be too fearful about getting back to life in the real world. I sure wish they would publish useful maps to show where danger zones are but you could probably just bring up a map of population density and that would give what you need.

I was driving from racine to shaumberg area than to loyola area, and back the reverse route the other day and when i was passing o'hare i pointed out to my wife that there is probably not 1 person within 5 miles of our current location with covid-19 yet every person was wearing a mask. That drives me absolutely crazy.

I mentioned to my wife that when i get to heaven i can't wait to pull up the dvd's of what really happened and see where what went down and how far off we were.
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Old 05-20-2020, 08:29 PM
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Or, should I call you, The Fixer? LoL...

On such a controversial thread, and you didn’t use anyone’s name!

Good man! We all can learn from you. Especially your ability to re-engineering a broken E53.

Andrew has my vote for most respected posts on, X5 Unrelated, But Good Information In Times Of Need.
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Or, should I call you, The Fixer? LoL...

My nickname for years has been "the cleaner"
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My nickname for years has been "the cleaner"

I apologize. I confused, “the fixer”, for “the cleaner”. Which by the way still gives me chill bumps. LoL..

Please forgive me, it’s been a long xoutpost day.
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Fantastic read waking up today Andrew. I want to thank you for cleaning up this thread.
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