RE: X5 Unrelated, but Good Information in Times of Need - Page 29

Maruzo · #1 04-30-2020, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bcredliner

Not everyone has sheltered in place or followed the guidelines. Thats a source. No known defective masks in the area. Probably lots of masks that are not acceptable in the guidelines, that could be a source. I don't know how many folks there are not wearing masks. At best here it was somewhere around 20%. Since the staged start of opening it is about 80%. Hard to tell how much social distancing is being done. My guess is that it is a somewhere around 60%. But, that couldn't be more anecdotal.

The first day the public beach opened here it looked like an anthill someone had kicked open. The next day there were police there to force distancing. The city sent out notice to residents and posted at the beach entrance that if it continues the beach will be closed. Dallas has started to put injunctions on businesses that aren't supposed to be open or have not adjusted for social distancing. Even if everyone in the metroplex were following all the guidelines we are still be in trouble as infections and deaths are still increasing, we should still be sheltered in place until infections and hospitalizations have been declining for 2 weeks.

As to what point the virus is expected to be under control. It is when 1 person is infecting less than 1 person. If one person is infecting more that 1 person infections increase. If 1 person infects 2 or 3 the infection will increase exponentially, an extremely small range between the curve going down and a huge spike.

I don't mind the mods closing this thread, but I think it's vital that we take the most important information from this thread before its closure, which is the above information posted by Bcredliner.

Despite all the different opinions we might have, the goal of this thread is to educate and inform folks about the danger of this new virus and what we can do to prevent it from spreading.

The gist of the prevention strategy, as bcredliner has pointed out, is the reduction of the "R" number. Let me quote him here:

"..It is when 1 person is infecting less than 1 person. If one person is infecting more that 1 person infections increase. If 1 person infects 2 or 3 the infection will increase exponentially, an extremely small range between the curve going down and a huge spike."

Understanding this strategy and adhering to whatever protocols that will make it happen is what we need to do.

Put your thoughts about personal freedom aside for a moment, and think about how we can contribute to reducing this number.

Britain is estimating that their "R" number is somewhere between 0.6 ~ 0.9, which is why they are contemplating limited and careful reopening of their economy.

They estimate that for every sector of the public they open, more risk factors are added to this number.

For instance, opening school could raise this number by a factor of 0.2.

Remember, any number above 1, that means 1 person is now infecting more than 1 person.

That means we are on the dangerous path of spreading the infection again.

It's simple as that.

p.s. Korea has just announced 0 new case of Covid-19 yesterday. This is following an intense and nationwide program of mass testing and tracing.

**edited to remove unnecessary rants**

Maruzo · #2 04-28-2020, 01:34 PM

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On Friday my brother-in-law died of the virus. He had been very carefully following the shelter in place and guidelines. My sister took him to the hospital for an unrelated problem where he was tested because he had a fever. Several days later the hospital called to tell him he tested positive. A few days later he started having breathing problems. He was taken by ambulance to the hospital. Three days later he was under hospice care. During the hospital stay and hospice she wasn't no allowed to be with him. My sister is sheltered in place until she can be tested today. It is very likely she will test positive. She is all alone with her grief and anxiety in their home of 57 years. Her son lives nearby. He can't hold her or enter the house.

The funeral is limited to 10 people, direct family only. Funeral must be at the grave site only. Jim was one of my mentors, he was wise, inspirational and had a wonderful dry sense of humor, A 6 foot 3 big strong in ever way man. She plans to have a celebration of life in the summer if the virus allows it.

Somewhere, someone infected him. This is what happens when individuals decide their wants or needs are more important than others, that their liberty entitles then to infringe on the liberty of others. Over 60 percent of the population believe it is too soon to open the country which likely means at least 60 percent have been able to find a way to adhere to the guidelines.

As one person said here ---you know where I can stick my opinions. You can all stick your opinions and selfish or twisted view of your rights or liberty over that of others, or you have to work regardless of the consequences to others--and, of course, up your ass where the sun don't shine. Especially those that tell me I am not listening to their point of view, try to make it sound like I am the only one that does not share their opinions or I have a screw loose.

I honestly hope no one else anywhere experiences what my sister is. Based just the few here it is certain they will.

My condolences for your tragic loss, bcredliner. Hope you guys have a great celebration for him during summer and hope everyone else, especially your sister, comes through unharmed.

bcredliner · #3 04-28-2020, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Maruzo

My condolences for your tragic loss, bcredliner. Hope you guys have a great celebration for him during summer and hope everyone else, especially your sister, comes through unharmed.

Thank you. Very nice of you.

Maruzo · #4 04-28-2020, 03:07 PM

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Thank you. Very nice of you.

No problem. Did you like the bikini girl? That's for you!

bcredliner · #5 04-29-2020, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Maruzo

No problem. Did you like the bikini girl? That's for you!

Yes, thank you.

Happy · #6 04-27-2020, 03:44 PM

My condolences to your family. I pray that recovery comes quickly.

Perrier · #7 04-27-2020, 04:08 PM

My sincere condolences, bcredliner.

I hope we can all go forward with a sense of responsibility towards the community as a whole. Our actions have a wider impact.

EODguy · #8 04-28-2020, 03:53 AM

Please have your families check out their PPE and make sure it isn't a regular or imitation mask. We have many reports overseas of fakes and copies that provide little to no protection being sold online.

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Maruzo · #9 04-28-2020, 01:52 PM

I've been reading the posts on this thread. I think most of us believe in using protection measures to fight this virus outspread.

There's different degrees of protection and different strategies to go about protecting oneself.

Since virus itself is an indiscriminate phenomenon, I believe the protection regimen should be unilaterally the same in scope and duration, slightly adjusted for level of infection, difference in population density, geographic or demographic differences, etc.

Implementation of these protection regimen should be nationwide and should not be an individual decision. Too much freedom to do what one damn feels like doing will only break the chain in an otherwise complete protection circle. I remember a very prominent public figure who half-assedly recommended that all american people wear masks to protect themselves against Covid 19, then quickly, during the same speech, says he will NOT use masks as it is his freedom to choose.

Imagine having a layer of saran wrap covering your big bowl of soup to prevent dust from entering the soup.

Having individual freedom in choosing his/her own protection or NO PROTECTION is gonna open up your saran wrap just wide enough to allow dust to go in, and taint the ENTIRE bowl of soup.

It's not rocket science, people.

Please stop referring to your individual freedom to not care about other people's well being.

zonefive · #10 04-28-2020, 02:04 PM

That's right. Permanently ban all contact sports because masks aren't worn and if they are, they are likely to come off. Permanently close all bars and restaurants because you can't eat or drink without a mask on. Etc etc.

Safety first people!

May I suggest an alternative: if you don't feel comfortable going outside without a mask on, or without other people having masks on, don't go outside. Stay inside your house.