Everyone has a choice and that's why America was founded.

But people need to do what is right for them and them alone and not impose on others.



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None of the experts, which you are obviously not one, have suggested permanently banning anything.

What they are recommending, which I am sure you will ignore, is to have a plan for reopening that closely monitors the impact of each stage of reopening. This is so any increase in infections is quickly known. If infections increase to rescind a stage or stages, adjust the plan, and cease the openings until after 14 days of consistent decline in infections. Your lack of concern and respect for other up there with the worst of narcissistic behavior.

There will be new normals. As long as the virus cannot be adequately treated, there is a no vaccine, and a minority ignore the guidelines please buy season tickets to the games.

It is obvious too informed adults that there will be many like you that either think they know more than the experts or don't care what happens to others and will do whatever they want. That makes it a sure thing it will become a permanent new normal. The same is true if patrons of public places if they aren't intelligent enough to get with the program.

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well said. Common sense and a sense of duty to this great country.

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We are probably all going to get infected over the next year or two. Maybe longer.

Redliner, condolences to your family and sister. But come on now. No one knows exactly where someone gets infected or how. Still obviously a tragic loss, and I know everyone wants to believe someone or something is at fault, but to say you know it was someone acting irresponsibly is just not possible.

Truth is, we are all at the mercy of a virus that will infect where/when/whom it can. If you want to mitigate the risk as much as possible, stay home, have groceries and purchases delivered, disinfect everything before it enters the house, and don't go visit or have visitors. Even if you do all that, there is still a chance of missing something on mail or deliveries. But others don't have the choice to wait in their home for months, unfortunately, and must work outside the home.

Again, sorry for your loss.

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I am going to respectfully disagree with this statement.

I personally am not at the mercy of this virus, or any virus for that matter. I am at the mercy of God and healed by his Son.

In my own opinion, someone with the virus may say the name Jesus in prayer with a hope of getting better. But I tell you, without genuine belief or faith that he arose from his grave trampling on death to fulfill Gods command, it’s just another name.

Jesus life up to his crucifixion was well documented by multiple nations. Believing he was on earth is not faith. That’s having historical knowledge. Faith or belief is that he defeated death. This is where many human beings will be at a crossroad.

For me personally, I was at that crossroad at 15 years old. But that’s me. I will never force my belief on anyone. Arguing, that my way is the right way, and yours is wrong, is irresponsible. We must respect one another.

It’s a human being’s own responsibility to maintain their health. If one believes that there are irresponsible human beings out in the community, it’s your own responsibility to protect yourself. Avoid all circumstances to the best of your own ability that may have a negative impact on ones health.

If the police say, “don’t go into that neighborhood, there is a high homicide rate”! Are you going to go in and negotiate with the murderers not to kill you? Any sensible person is going to avoid the danger. However, just because the police made the suggestion doesn’t mean you have to follow it. It’s ones own choice to make that decision.

I believe instead of arguing our beliefs back and fourth, we should be respecting each other’s beliefs. Together we should compile a solution that best fits our individual needs. Working together will always be a stronger force. Division will only make things worse.

Humans are NOT perfect. We have flaws. We should not beat up on one another! No one on this thread is perfect.

This is just my opinion.

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I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying the virus is only killing or infecting non-God fearing peoples?

Agreed, I don't stand next to people who are smoking during normal times. And under current circumstances, I only go out when I have to, wear my mask, have my sanitizer in my pocket, and I definitely distance myself from anyone not wearing a mask.

I think that's a contradictory idea. I think we have to find a solution that would best fit the majority of citizens at the expense of some. There will be no best solution for everyone, and maybe that's why this thread is going the way it is. To quote Science Officer Spock, "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

Agree with that whole heartedly.

Agree. Wear yours masks, social distance, etc. These measures will be in place for at least the rest of 2020 (maybe 2021) so might as well get used to them. But even with these measures we are just slowing infection rates. We will likely all be infected, and worse likely all know someone who has died. Much like the different variations of cancer.

I agree it will be years before a recovery. 2008 crash took 5 years to get back to previous highs. I can't find any consensus by economists one way or the other for predictions to open. Most admit this is an unknown in terms of history. Most also agree it would require testing every worker. That's not going to happen in a country our size. And the models for a possible opening are changing very rapidly due to the ever changing data (and accuracy/inaccuracy of the data).

To get back to the Spock quote, the majority of Americans need to work. Whether companies are actively trying to downsize the workforce (they are as redliner said) in the future, they can't right now. So if allowed to operate, at least people can work.

The greatest danger in this all might be the sheer amount of debt being accumulated by the Fed. The number of the unemployed drawing more income now than they did when working is troubling. Americans aren't dumb and they have lost any sense of shame in taking handouts from the government. They will choose to be unemployed versus working for less money. States are losing tremendous income, as are cities. The states are asking for money from the Fed, as are the unemployed, as are the businesses (both big and small), the airlines, cruise industry, and the list goes on and on. Forget the virus, deflation might be the ultimate plague.

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