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EODguy · #**631** 05-21-2020, 06:32 PM

I'd like to know why the CDC uses a completely different layout of the data for coronavirus as compared to the annual flu report and using shows a different format for the flu in January as opposed to today's webpage.

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crystalworks · #**632** 05-21-2020, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by andrewwynn

Yep and as “they” suggest that high risk people get the shot but the heathy don't really need to, but in a recent biased non news suggested it's terrible that only 30/40% of America get the flu shot, but that's actually probably just about right.

I think that once in a while these things have to happen to kick humanity in the butt so we can learn some humility. We think we are "all that" then this happens and we are put in our place.

I think that's the basic idea behind the "this sort of thing has to happen occasionally" above.

Over the course of human history there have been numerous world wide resets and this one will go down in history in the top ten maybe?

Recall my comments about pointless to stoke the fire of hate. Trying to pin the blame on people in the administration or CDC etc is pointless and most likely just ad homonym attacks.

Trying to pull the race card because somebody refers to the Wuhan virus as such likewise is complete falsehood. Viruses have typically been named after the location where they were discovered eg Ebola. It wasn't Frank Ebola that discovered it. It is named after the area where it was found there is no good reason the cv19 virus should be called anything other than the Wuhan virus it's not racist or derogatory it's simple factual. It's also ok to call It sars-cov-2 but it was pure politics and obfuscation as the motivation of not using the proper name convention.

Also, far as I'm concerned I "take it back" there is a who to blame. The literal WHO. They absolutely lied for weeks and weeks. Without their absolute disregard for truth and facts the entire pandemic could have been contained, they should not get another red cent from USA. A different yet honest organization that isn't wrapped around China's pinky finger can replace them the have officially run their useful course and do not deserve a second or third chance.

andrewwynn · #**633** 05-21-2020, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by upallnight

The coronavirus or any other virus are NOT ALIVE. They are proteins.

Bacteria are alive and can be killed/eradicated.

That is why they are so hard to kill since you can't kill something that is not alive.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...-so-hard-kill/

Killing an RNA virus is symantic. We "kill the lights" "kill the engine" etc.

We can use alcohol to dissolve the virus protein. We will use the colloquial term "killed it".

Informative though, most do not know virus not a life form it requires a host to tap into it's cells to replicate it cannot self replicate.

andrewwynn · #**634** 05-21-2020, 07:14 PM

My understanding of the old being affected is that even they aren't at terribly high risk if they don't have underlying health problems.

Deficiency of zinc and vitamin D are said to be a solid factor. We need to deep dive Into these things.

Also: "news flash" I just saw a headline that CV the sequel will not call for shutdown the sequel. Like I said it wasn't needed this time we just didn't know. If it happens again we will know.

Happy · #**635** 05-21-2020, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by andrewwynn

I think that once in a while these things have to happen to kick humanity in the butt so we can learn some humility. We think we are "all that" then this happens and we are put in our place.

It definitely put people in their place, literally. Quarantine.

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Originally Posted by andrewwynn

Also, far as I'm concerned I "take it back" there is a who to blame. The literal WHO. They absolutely lied for weeks and weeks. Without their absolute disregard for truth and facts the entire pandemic could have been contained, they should not get another red cent from USA. A different yet honest organization that isn't wrapped around China's pinky finger can replace them the have officially run their useful course and do not deserve a second or third chance.

This is why I highly believe in a strong need for an independent investigation.

bcredliner · #**636** 05-21-2020, 07:51 PM

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All of those reasons above might be a few reasons the world needs a pandemic. A reminder about how things come and go a few times a generation that we aren't necessarily prepared for. Ever. This one will pass, nothing will change, and we'll be having this discussion again in 20-30 years. Hopefully a Democrat is in office so the Republican voters can have their turn blaming the opposing administration.

People dying from natural causes, or phenomena doesn't bother me in the way it does some. I'm not of the mind we can save all people all of the time. As Andrew has put it, in no uncertain terms, we are not seeing deaths on a level beyond what we might see from the flu. And that's with most deaths being attributed to CV19. For varying reasons, the numbers being collected are wildly inaccurate (including attributing flu deaths to CV19).

We are not in a black plague-like situation, and talking about it like we are is not going to help the situation. Obviously, I don't wish anyone's grandparent, parent, or themselves to die. OBVIOUSLY. But, if elderly people are always more susceptible to the flu, and we don't freak out that the majority of flu deaths every year are in that population, why are we doing so now? Just like every flu season, the elderly need to be cautious, hygienic, and get the flu vaccine. The rest of us can wear masks, wash hands, etc to help the situation and protect them as much as possible.

Andrew. Even at only 30% effective for the flu vaccine, that's a large statistic. Yes, sometimes it's ineffective because the wrong strain is targeted, but the statistics still show it's better for the public (especially elderly and young children) to get the shot over time.

I respect your opinion that a pandemic is needed from time to time but don't share that with you. If nothing happens when we have a pandemic doesn't seem like a reminder is needed, but whatever.

I think it is premature to conclude deaths are similar to that of the flu since people are still dying. If the Covid 19 count is overstated are we sure the flu count isn't also?

I'm sure some folks are freaking out but I don't see anyone doing that here nor anyone acting like it is the Black Plague. Are you referring to someone here?

Important differences between the flu and the Covid 19 virus is we have a treatment regime and a vaccine that at least somewhat effective each year so we have some control over the flu. We aren't there with Covid 19. Another difference is the permanent damage they are now finding in organs from blood clots that may be also happening in cases where all ages, that recover may have.

bcredliner · #**637** 05-21-2020, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by upallnight

The coronavirus or any other virus are NOT ALIVE. They are proteins.

Bacteria are alive and can be killed/eradicated.

That is why they are so hard to kill since you can't kill something that is not alive.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...-so-hard-kill/

Stand corrected.Knew that, forgot that. It was even mentioned earlier in this thread also but that was more than 10 minutes ago. Oops.

If I understand how the test is done the swab has nothing on it when it is inserted so the test solution containing any virus would couldn't infect anyone just give a false reading.

andrewwynn · #**638** 05-21-2020, 08:51 PM

The idea is somebody might splash the test solution on them. I have no idea where the germ was I just heard contaminated.

FYI the up the nose swap goes up 2-2-1/2". It's basically behind your eye and feels as good as it sounds.

The doc that did the swab felt bad until I told her thanks she finally got the itch that's been bugging me all day.

Happy · #**639** 05-21-2020, 09:04 PM

I have a bit more first hand evidence. On December 30, 2019, I received care from the VA medical center. While I was fighting the virus, I finally succumbed to the difficulties of breathing. When I arrived at the ER there was a sign posted, “due to sudden high volume”.

I was admitted and treated. I was given a albuterol breathing treatment, and I was placed on oxygen until my levels reached an acceptable level. And tested negative for flu. This took several hours.

While receiving treatment, I over heard the nurses discussions. Now this is second hand evidence, however I think it holds a bit of merit. They were discussing how there was a sudden surge of patients with similar symptoms and how they were testing negative for the flu. Also, every member of my family tested negative for flu as well.

This was in the States before it was reported. Somebody had to know. With 21 years of experience raising children, and all the years from the time I can recall, I’ve NEVER seen anything like it.

The main question I need answered is, were the aircrafts weaponized? No matter if the virus came from the market or the lab. Did somebody know when they were boarding flights to the U.S., or any other country for that matter that they were a risk? Was it done intentionally, or was it all circumstance? China is hush, WHO is already red flag, and our news or lack of has nothing to offer.

The need for an investigation is very serious. It’s hard to sleep at night after what I’ve gone through! Not knowing if it was a deliberate act or not is unsettling. If anyone is responsible, I want to know! I want justice for my family, if there is a responsible party. I know it will take years, but I don’t care.

This has been a life changing event, whether you had the virus or not, and probably will be for the foreseeable future.

Don’t we deserve answers?

Happy · #**640** 05-21-2020, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by andrewwynn

The idea is somebody might splash the test solution on them. I have no idea where the germ was I just heard contaminated.

FYI the up the nose swap goes up 2-2-1/2". It's basically behind your eye and feels as good as it sounds.

The doc that did the swab felt bad until I told her thanks she finally got the itch that's been bugging me all day.

Those tests are crap!.

I had a male VA nurse, he had ZERO compassion for my reception to the test. Very forceful!

It was like having someone poking at your brain. You definitely need a skilled nurse to perform this procedure. Not one who is simply treating you as a number.

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