RE: X5 Unrelated, but Good Information in Times of Need - Page 64

amancuso · #1 07-18-2020, 04:35 PM

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"There's the problem." No -- Not a problem. People are responsible. YOU have the problem.

Don't worry about other people. Worry about yourself.

What constitutes "success" against a virus that will infiltrate/expose an entire population in time, one way or another? You haven't said. Because you don't know.

We haven't been defeated by the coronavirus. The damage we have suffered has been due to our reaction to the virus.

Or non-reaction, which is the point Maruzo is making. We're all trapped aboard a rudderless ship.

EODguy · #2 07-04-2020, 08:48 AM

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EODguy · #3 07-04-2020, 12:23 PM

Strange that Austin doesn't list "attending" a protest or riot...

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crystalworks · #4 07-04-2020, 09:42 PM

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Strange that Austin doesn't list "attending" a protest or riot...

Hah! I noticed that too.

I can't stand Trump. But I can't stand politicians. So nothing really changed for me when he was elected. The only thing that will change after Biden is elected, which is looking more and more likely, is that hopefully our potus will be less embarrassing. But the same corruption and quagmire will persist.

As it stands, the governors are more to blame for the current pandemic situ. And they should be voted out as Trump will probably be. But keeping the focus on him screwing up will let them slide under the radar. I want them held accountable as well.

bcredliner · #5 07-04-2020, 05:35 PM

Regardless of what has happened in the USA, the buck stops at the President. That's not to say trump has responded to this crisis effectively or ineffectively but he is directly responsibility as to how any national crisis is handled and the outcome.

IMO, his actions have been incredibly, amazingly, blatantly irresponsible. Trump has minimized and appealed to his base to act as if COVID 19 is no worse than the flu and that the Democrats are blowing it out of proportion to hurt him. He has made it a political issue. I don't think there is any question that he believes the cure is worse than the disease and that casualties are acceptable. He has claimed many times how good a job he is doing based on the original estimates of two to three million deaths. One million deaths sounds like much better than two, certainly three. And it won't get near one million before the election so open everything ASAP, he can BS his way out of however many die by then.

Republicans in leadership, for the most part, have based their opening plans on restoring the economy, heads up his #@$. They have no yet broken from party lines and followed the WHO and CDC recommendations as an opening plan. If they don't they know Trump will chastise them and attempt to destroy their reputation and political career. Add to that the contingent of Americans that lack the intelligence to understand or are ignorant of what freedom means or are just angry and defiant by nature and we have a recipe for catastrophic failure. I think we are still in the first wave giving the second wave a huge kick start.

Maruzo · #6 07-04-2020, 07:39 PM

I agree. It’s a double whammy. Faced with this unprecedented pandemic and having the most incompetent and corrupt douchebag for our president.

Maruzo · #7 07-05-2020, 12:41 AM

Trump abdicated his one chance to unit the states under a common goal, and played the blaming game.

I think his unwillingness to lead the states forced each of them to fend for themselves, which resulted in 50 different strategies to fight this pandemic.

Which in turn led to disaster.

EODguy · #8 07-05-2020, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Maruzo

Trump abdicated his one chance to unit the states under a common goal, and played the blaming game.

I think his unwillingness to lead the states forced each of them to fend for themselves, which resulted in 50 different strategies to fight this pandemic.

Which in turn led to disaster.

It's called the 10th Amendment and the Governors of each State are the only ones who have the authority to make the coronavirus rules you've advocated for. Like Trump or not it is completely disingenuous to put the onus on him when the Constitution limits him and yet say he should be acting like a dictator to impose the measures you want.

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Maruzo · #9 07-05-2020, 05:08 PM

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It's called the 10th Amendment and the Governors of each State are the only ones who have the authority to make the coronavirus rules you've advocated for. Like Trump or not it is completely disingenuous to put the onus on him when the Constitution limits him and yet say he should be acting like a dictator to impose the measures you want.

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I think what's really disingenuous is he claims to have absolute power over everything and everyone and referred to the Constitution numerous times to back up his claim.

Yet when it comes time for him to step up to the plate and unit the country on the pandemic issues, he withered away like a coward that he is and put the ball back in the state's court.

Normally I would agree with EODguy on the state's powers and the power limits of the president.

But looking at what he's done, what his family's done, and what his crooked administration has done this past 3 years, I do not buy that he did it because he knew the distinction.

He simply gave up because he's afraid of owning up to the responsibilities that comes with the presidency.

As for the mandates that I've been pushing....

The guidelines are proposed by the experts, not me. I simply offered them to whoever is willing to listen.

But I guess individual freedom trumps everything. Even common sense decency and the simple gestures of putting oneself in other people's shoes.

crystalworks · #10 07-05-2020, 03:09 AM

You mean he played politician? I'm shocked.