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crystalworks · #**641** 05-22-2020, 12:21 AM

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I respect your opinion that a pandemic is needed from time to time but don't share that with you. If nothing happens when we have a pandemic doesn't seem like a reminder is needed, but whatever.

Nobody wants the reminder. I certainly don't want there to be pandemics. It's more a reminder on a personal level of how really small and not in control of everything we all are (including our self-important government). How quickly things can change. I've spent more time with my parents and enjoyed watching them with my kids more now than ever before. It's nice to get the reminder that life is finite and to enjoy those you love for as long as you can. They seem to appreciate it more as well.

I don't think things will change on a national level, except maybe going to war with China (or someone else) once more information is gathered about its origination. But I hope I'm wrong on both counts.

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I think it is premature to conclude deaths are similar to that of the flu since people are still dying. If the Covid 19 count is overstated are we sure the flu count isn't also?

I'm sure some folks are freaking out but I don't see anyone doing that here nor anyone acting like it is the Black Plague. Are you referring to someone here?

No, I was referring to the media and certain politicians. They love to report on the most sensational, least rational, and greatest money generating points of view they can find.

Valid point. There are definitely differences between the seasonal flu and cov19. But there are similarities as well. The quote below from health.com shows how many people die (estimated) of flu each year according to the CDC and there is a range associated with the numbers as well, they are giving the estmate, while the CDC's website shows the whole range.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html

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Overall, the CDC estimates that 12,000 and 61,000 deaths annually since 2010 can be blamed on the flu. Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.

I definitely think the number for cov-19 will be higher than the seasonal flu, for reasons you mentioned (no vaccine, treatments). But it is not going to be catastrophic. As Andrew pointed out, it disproportionately affects the elderly just like the flu. Especially those with pre-existing conditions. If there has to be a silver lining, it looks like cov-19 might be less deadly to children than the flu.

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Important differences between the flu and the Covid 19 virus is we have a treatment regime and a vaccine that at least somewhat effective each year so we have some control over the flu. We aren't there with Covid 19. Another difference is the permanent damage they are now finding in organs from blood clots that may be also happening in cases where all ages, that recover may have.

All valid points. We are still learning about this. But don't let the "permanent damage" fear take hold yet. It could be true, we don't know. It's only been a few months. And it might only be in like .05% of cases if there is permanent damage... or it could be in 10% of cases. We don't know.

But as someone who has had walking pneumonia for a year without knowing (I have really large lungs and it took that long to progress and fill up with fluid enough to affect my breathing) and developed scar tissue in my lungs. With therapy and exercise, it does heal. My last set of films showed my lungs nice and clear again and I no longer wheeze on deep breaths. Smokers are also able to clear their lungs from years of damage after they quit. My sister was a lifelong smoker and would hack and gag all the time. She quit about a year ago, sounds like a totally different person.

^Now that above paragraph is unrelated to cov-19 per se, but the human body can repair itself to an amazing degree.

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crystalworks · #**642** 05-22-2020, 12:37 AM

Ah Andrew, I forgot to post this. You were mentioning wanting a heat map for cases and such to allow for planning and prep. Here is what San Antonio put together for Bexar County. We used to check it all the time when this first started but we stopped when we realized cases weren't going to really break 100 new/day. Looks like we are around 50 or 60 new cases on average. And for such a large metro area we only have 64 deaths currently. That was mostly a couple of nursing homes that were unfortunately ravaged because staff worked at both facilities. But I think this was along the lines of what you would like to see available for all locales?

https://covid19.sanantonio.gov/About...d-05af35e314e2

Happy · #**643** 05-22-2020, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by crystalworks

I don't think things will change on a national level, except maybe going to war with China (or someone else) once more information is gathered about its origination. But I hope I'm wrong on both counts.

I pray there is no war. But I want answers!

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If there has to be a silver lining, it looks like cov-19 might be less deadly to children than the flu.

That has not been my experience. If for any reason your kids fall ill, keep them hydrated, give them vitamins and proper nutrition. Do not hesitate to take them to the pediatrics unit.

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We are still learning about this. But don't let the "permanent damage" fear take hold yet. It could be true, we don't know. It's only been a few months. And it might only be in like .05% of cases if there is permanent damage... or it could be in 10% of cases. We don't know.

The human body is an amazing creation! It will heal. So far I haven’t seen permanent damage from the virus. We’re all moving about without any handicap, but I think it takes months to fully recover. I believe minor symptoms are still affecting us to this day. The symptoms are all consistent amongst all family members.

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But as someone who has had walking pneumonia for a year without knowing (I have really large lungs and it took that long to progress and fill up with fluid enough to affect my breathing) and developed scar tissue in my lungs. With therapy and exercise, it does heal. My last set of films showed my lungs nice and clear again and I no longer wheeze on deep breaths. Smokers are also able to clear their lungs from years of damage after they quit. My sister was a lifelong smoker and would hack and gag all the time. She quit about a year ago, sounds like a totally different person.

^Now that above paragraph is unrelated to cov-19 per se, but the human body can repair itself to an amazing degree.

It is my interpretation that this virus gets in your nose or mouth. Then travels to your throat and lungs. It normally stops there with the common cold or flu, but here is where covid19 shines. Once it gets into your lungs, then it gets in your blood stream. Once in the blood stream, then it attacks your organs. For me I stay super hydrated, so kidneys were not greatly affected. However for me, my heart took a beating. It was like nothing I’ve ever experienced before. Blood pressure readings that were ridiculously high. Heart palpitations, shortness of breath, etc. My wife thought on a few occasions, that I was going to go into cardiac arrest in my sleep. She stated to me at one point my heart looked as if it were going to pop out of my chest. This went on for weeks. It also attacked my Gastrointestinal system. I never really suffered vomiting, but the other end, I’ll leave it there. This is still going on.

Never in my life have I been affected by any illness like this. But getting back to permanent damage. I live on 3/4’s of an acre, and I do all my own maintenance. I am pretty much back to full health. Here and there my gut acts up, but so far it’s the only symptom. My heart slightly reminds me it went through trauma, but so far the last 10 days have been ok.

Our bodies will heal if we stay hydrated, eat a proper diet, and take vitamins. And also, abstain from things that can lower our immune system.

Edited, to say one last thing. If you haven’t had the virus, continually practice all of the steps suggested to protect your ears, nose, and throat until the all clear is given.

andrewwynn · #**644** 05-22-2020, 01:44 AM

What I've read from very knowledgeable doctors that treat the flu every year is this:

If the sars-cov-2 wasn't isolated we would have likely just thought all these people had the flu and it was just a terrible flu season. Double the deaths of normal and lasting until June.

I said in January if nothing else, people doing what they *are supposed to do* (wash hands cover face) will reduce how many people die from the flu we were on track to have 60-70,000 flu deaths this season. They got thrown in with cv by mid April so the world will never know how many were CV vs flu.

It's real sad that people try to find the worst and blame "our leaders" just because they were running the ship when the reality is as much as it's easy to use a time machine for a gotcha moment and blame the president because he said CV will kill people and then it will stop and it will be over and the world will resume. It's also just as easy to point out the time machine based lunacy of the house speaker encouraging mass gathering of Chinese immigrants by the 10s of 1000s on Chinese new years or the St Patrick's day parties in NYC thanks Mayor.

None of those qualify as other than human nature of American free spirit. If you want to believe one you better believe them all. None of these folks had a crystal ball and it was already far far far too late. There were 400-500,000 people that has been near Wuhan and now in the USA and had mingled with MILLIONS of Americans in EVERY state long before people started dying after being diagnosed.

"You can't unscrew a lightbulb".

If you have been getting "news" from legacy media, stop right now. Find some alternative source that doesn't make your skin crawl and find some actual news.

I use news 360 and down vote all the legacy non-news and it finds actual news articles from acutal journalists. Once the useless non news like and/CBS/fox/CNN/ABC/NYT/wapo etc are removed from the feeds, actual news will start to leak through. They tend to be from medium town newspapers like 100-200,000 population and apparently the journalists actually are unlike the absolute morons that are the national faces of the non news networks.

I don't care if you are the most liberal or most conservative person, watching non news biased to your favor is not remotely anything like news and should be put off the air from not watching it.

I used to watch a particular news-ish pundit not exactly news but news-ish because it was editorial in nature but you could tell they basically reported as it is because they used to piss off an equal number of liberals and conservatives each day. It was very humorous to see the comments section; flames from both sides.

That's a great way to tell if it's an honest reporter. They are so down the middle you can't tell if they are lib or cons and piss off each. A "yes man" like Lemon or Maddow are not anything close to news. Entertaining sure but absolutely pointless. They preech to the choir and teach nobody anything. May as well watch Wendy Williams or the view. Entertaining the groupies, chewing gum for the eyes. No substance whatsoever.

I spend about 2 hours a day on alternative news sites and YouTube channels and actually one or two of them are just compilation sites that mostly link to other sites. They basically proof 1000s of sites daily and filter out the actual news. Sometimes those articles are on legacy sites like New York times which always is a shocker but people well versed in filtering the absolute manure pre sift to find "just the facts" actual news no matter the source. Get informed stop just doing what other people tell you. I have very good friends from absolutely opposite ends of the political spectrum and I don't care who they support if it's suitable. What I see way way way too much is people voting like lemmings. Absolutely uninformed and making a choice buy a bumper sticker.

I wouldn’t trust Congress to mow my lawn. it should literally be disbanded 100% and start from scratch. It’s the 95% of them to give the rest the bad name. It's the most criminal organization outside of California.

Congress should be paid median wage. If a senator or Congress makes more money on their own they should have to pay it all to the general fund so while in Congress they are literally average. It would be all the incentive needed to keep the term limits low.

Only through criminal conduct can these people regularly take an already outrageous sum of a few million over time and turn it into fuck you money: $100s of millions and private Jets. It's literally criminal. If 30m Americans are on UI and food stamps: you guessed it Congress gets UI and food stamps until they fix it. Fuckers.

How about this one: Congress shall not get paid when they don't work, Congress shall not get paid until *all* the people waiting now over a month to get PUA get paid. There's no accountability whatever they need to feel the pinch of the absolute inability for them to make any progress. Sadly save a second revolution I see no cure.

It's famously said that democracy is doomed to fail and will fail when the people vote for whomever promises the biggest share of the public tax base.

Not sure how exactly I got into that tangent but the moral of the story is think for yourself since it's no longer taught in schools, teach your kids your family and your xo pals likewise and as the good book says help each other and lift each other up.

crystalworks · #**645** 05-22-2020, 11:03 AM

LoL preach on Andrew.

I also tend to use those compilation sites/presenters who sift through the chafe to deliver actual news. MSM is garbage on both sides.

Edit: Happy, yes I remember you said the virus was hard on your child. There are outliers in every statistic unfortunately. Was sad to hear your daughter was one of them. Glad she (and you) are doing better now.

Happy · #**646** 05-22-2020, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by andrewwynn

I wouldn’t trust Congress to mow my lawn. it should literally be disbanded 100% and start from scratch. It’s the 95% of them to give the rest the bad name. It's the most criminal organization outside of California.

LoL... Mowing a lawn is actual work. Again, how were they getting paid, when the Coast Guard wasn’t? Men and Women that work hard to keep our country safe and secure.

That’s why I moved to Texas, from California. Beautiful land, but the government is something else.

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Not sure how exactly I got into that tangent but the moral of the story is think for yourself since it's no longer taught in schools, teach your kids your family and your xo pals likewise and as the good book says help each other and lift each other up.

I actually worry sometimes what their teaching my kids at school. Always be involved with your children, no matter the organization, church included. The only people that have a child’s best interests, is their parents. And even then, that can go wrong.

It would be nice to see people come together after this pandemic and be more helpful to one another, and to encourage one another.

Happy · #**647** 05-22-2020, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by crystalworks

Edit: Happy, yes I remember you said the virus was hard on your child. There are outliers in every statistic unfortunately. Was sad to hear your daughter was one of them. Glad she (and you) are doing better now.

Thank you, Crystal.

andrewwynn · #**648** 05-22-2020, 12:25 PM

Depends if parents were taught to be free thinkers or just indoctrinated to be cogs.

Maruzo · #**649** 05-22-2020, 12:28 PM

Diseases arise due to unsanitary conditions. That is a known fact.

We have unsanitary pig farms, poultry farms, cow farms, not to mention the ever increasing density in human living quarters.

Increases in disease spread and increases in variations of the viruses are all a result of the exponential increases in the population of the organisms on this planet.

You can continue to think covid-19 is just another flu that adds to the yearly flu death figures, perhaps more lethal, but nothing out of the ordinary.

You might have a point.

But if you dismiss it as such and believe we're overreacting, then you're missing the big picture.

This is not an "occasional pandemic" that'll go away when the weather improves.

This is a small sample of the hell that is to come.

There's a reason mass extinction events happen multiple times throughout this planet's history.

Granted as far as we know, all of them happened due to natural causes (asteroid impact, ice age, global temrature event, etc)

But as the humanities enjoy the fruits of the industrial, technological, and digital age, turning this planet into the environment that is ideal for us to continue thriving, we've irreversibly destroyed the natural environment where millions of organisms thrive and depend on.

We reduced the living space of countless animals, and we come dangerously close to many more that have abilites to trasmit diseases between species.

Monkeys, chicken, pigs, bats. What's next?

If you think this is fear mongering, then pull out the good book. The first known extinction event is recorded on it.

Think about sustainable coexistence. Instead of all for homo sapiens and none for everything else.

andrewwynn · #**650** 05-22-2020, 01:30 PM

I think cv is just a warning. Eventually one of these pandemics will be 'extinction level' killing people by the millions or billions. There is a famous saying i think might have been einstein; 'i don't know what weapon will be used for ww3 but i do know that ww4 will be fought with rocks and sticks'. Likewise when 'the big one' hits it will be a humanity 'reset' on a global scale with perhaps 1/3 less people. I will be ok with that happening not in my lifetime. People are pretty small on the scale of nature even as we do destroy the natural environment; we still only occupy a very small percentage of the land mass. As we do spread into the unknowns we accidentally awaken deadly germs; i read that some hibernating virus was brought back into action by permafrost melting and exposing dead mammoth that died with the virus inside. Since as pointed out 'not living' they can just wait in stasis for millennia

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