RE: X5 Unrelated, but Good Information in Times of Need - Page 60

andrewwynn · #**591** 05-20-2020, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy

andrewwynn, you are a good man! I like your character.

Thank you for the information you provided. Very good read!

i've been sucking in a lot since january and apparently been waiting for a time and a place to vent. Also xo is 'my other family' and i want to help inform people in my family so they can be a little smarter about how they go about their business and not be too fearful about getting back to life in the real world. I sure wish they would publish useful maps to show where danger zones are but you could probably just bring up a map of population density and that would give what you need.

I was driving from racine to shaumberg area than to loyola area, and back the reverse route the other day and when i was passing o'hare i pointed out to my wife that there is probably not 1 person within 5 miles of our current location with covid-19 yet every person was wearing a mask. That drives me absolutely crazy.

I mentioned to my wife that when i get to heaven i can't wait to pull up the dvd's of what really happened and see where what went down and how far off we were.

Sponsored Links

Happy · #**592** 05-20-2020, 08:29 PM

Or, should I call you, The Fixer? LoL...

On such a controversial thread, and you didn’t use anyone’s name!

Good man! We all can learn from you. Especially your ability to re-engineering a broken E53.

Andrew has my vote for most respected posts on, X5 Unrelated, But Good Information In Times Of Need.

Happy · #**593** 05-20-2020, 08:35 PM

Ahhh... Andrew... Heaven sounds really good right about now! But I can wait my turn, I still have more work to do.

andrewwynn · #**594** 05-20-2020, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Have a sinus infection right now. Gone through Z pack, follow up antibiotics because it didn't go away and ear drops because I also got an ear infection. I know what you mean, t's no fun at all. Wearing a mask when I am out and about anyway. Aren't you?

eat yogurt regularly after any broad spectrum antibiotic lest you go through the extra week of hell i did. I wear a mask when i go to stores; even if i don't have CV i could quite possibly have cold or flu and those aren't nice to share with others either.

a recent study from japan showed that there is a very solid prophylaxis effect in BOTH directions when people wear masks; i think they said if one person wears a mask it's 30% better and if both 60% better.. i forgot the exact numbers but it's a very solid improvement when BOTH sides are wearing, ALSO in spite of the unfounded concern of self-infecting by touching the mask on the outside and then your face (vs perfect handling by just the ear straps), there is almost no risk of self-infection mishandling the mask so that's a HUGE DEAL.

Quote:

Wearing a mask is not for the wearer. It is for the wearer that is infected to reduce the the chance they infect someone else. What do you view as longterm?

in the studies long term meant all day for workers either construction etc avoiding dust or in health care. Another IMPORTANT NOTE! I have always preferred using the ventilators vs masks so i can breathe and also SEE (not fogging glasses each time i breathe out), but DUH that means you are venting your germs so I will take one for the team and use ventless masks when i go shopping to keep my germs to myself.

Quote:

I don't think it matters much who is more vulnerable or where they are right now. As long as we are are so mobile an infected person can take it anywhere. It only takes on person that infects two others or more to fuel an increase in the rate of infection. Unless the infection rate is less than one person infecting 1.2 or less people the rate of infection will increase. We don't know enough to do anything other than err on the side of caution. I think that is the basis for the current guidelines from scientists. The first post by OP explained what our part is if we want this behind us. I don't see how any of us know enough to second guess that for any reason.

The problem is mobility; no matter how infections a disease is it will 'self limit' take stupidly deadly disease like ebola; it will self-eliminate very quickly by killing all the hosts ; for a germ to be successful it has to mutate to a *less deadly* germ so that it won't kill the host; as a favorite comedian pointed out long ago (referring to cancer at the time) but applies here also; if the disease kills the host it didn't win it's a TIE.

localized seclusion is the answer to stoping a contagion; why did china block *all* travel inside the country in/out of wuhan but allowed air travel by the millions? insanity. If we simply had a database that showed infection 'rate of change' and had a limit of say 10/100,000 increase per day as a limit and if a county hits that limit you simply put up a road block nobody in or out not related to curing people until that rate drops; it's an extreme measure but worked in china it will work anywhere.

People are driving *everywhere* in spite of *any* official lock down and no doubt some of them are taking the germ *everywhere*… it's a game of percentages; if people used logical reasoning like above it could be contained, and stopped.

This 'course' of cv19 is nearly behind us, by august it will be for all purposes gone in the usa unless something unseen in human history with viruses happens;

Viruses follow a 'logistics function' curve ; not some of the time *all the time*. they start stupid slow, you can't see the rate of increase initially and then they expand exponentially and you can't see any chance of slowing down and then almost as suddenly they level off quickly and the curve becomes a revers log curve and plateaus to its conclusion.

we are well past the inflection point and getting close to the end. we aren't 3 months into the official curve and it should be mostly over by 4… cv19 is a lot larger quantity than recent pandemic like covid 1 (sars) but that was maybe 3 months start to finish. cv19 will still likely have 50-100 deaths a day in a month which sounds pretty 'cold' to call that 'over' but like the majority of the current deaths, these were not healthy people to start with and for a population of 330 million 50-100 is statistical background noise (again not being insensitive to the pour soul who's grandma is officially background noise, clearly that is just sadly statistical verbiage and not meant disparagingly of course).

so; back to that initial question; usa will begin the most amazing road to recovery since the great depression this summer, it will be 'on a tear' before the end of the year but it will take 4-5 years to get back to where the usa is the 'clear winner' of the cv19 world wide financial reset.

andrewwynn · #**595** 05-20-2020, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy

Ahhh... Andrew... Heaven sounds really good right about now! But I can wait my turn, I still have more work to do.

a pretty good layman quote of paul. thanks for the nice words.

andrewwynn · #**596** 05-20-2020, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy

Or, should I call you, The Fixer? LoL...

My nickname for years has been "the cleaner"

Happy · #**597** 05-20-2020, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewwynn

a pretty good layman quote of paul. thanks for the nice words.

Yeah, I am a non denominated Christian. I do not believe in religious groups. JMHO..

Happy · #**598** 05-20-2020, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewwynn

My nickname for years has been "the cleaner"

I apologize. I confused, “the fixer”, for “the cleaner”. Which by the way still gives me chill bumps. LoL..

Please forgive me, it’s been a long xoutpost day.

Happy · #**599** 05-20-2020, 09:24 PM

Also, pretty cool how you assessed my rank in the church. You have great judgment.

I might not be the highest ranking, but I am definitely a true believer!

andrewwynn · #**600** 05-20-2020, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy

Yeah, I am a non denominated Christian. I do not believe in religious groups. JMHO..

I have had many discussion about religion. Often with devout athiests who will talk about how bad religion is and they are always pretty surprised when I tell them there is a HUGE difference between faith and religion and that religion is a man made concept full of man made problems.

Sponsored Links