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Overboost · #**351** 05-01-2020, 10:35 PM

The Government put 30 million people out of work and placed the whole country on house arrest. How long did you think people would willingly forfeit their liberties at the cost of losing their homes, savings and quality of life. What did you think was going to happen?

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Happy · #**352** 05-01-2020, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Overboost

The Government put 30 million people out of work and placed the whole country on house arrest. How long did you think people would willingly forfeit their liberties at the cost of losing their homes, savings and quality of life. What did you think was going to happen?

Yeah... I feel like there is more to this than meets the eye!

EODguy · #**353** 05-02-2020, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Maruzo

You are wrong. You can spread the virus much easier if you don’t have mask on when u are in public space. You can potentially leave ur virus everywhere because ur mouth is not covered.

So there is an adverse effect to the public health for a carrier not to wear a mask when he/she is returned back to the public.

Spread the virus much easier... to those who want to wear PPE?

I see now that you have never understood personal responsibility or the Constitution.

I will type very slowly... you can wear PPE that protects you and it will have zero effect on anyone else's Rights, but if I was the government and said that you must surrender all of your assets so that the sale thereof can pay for the prison you will be assigned to... you would flip and guess what? Everything I listed is a pretty close analogy to what is going on now.

1. Wear PPE
2. You must stay where you're told.
3. You will be reimbursing yourself through taxes.
4. You will accept the fact that someone else controls your family and you have zero say in it.

The above 4 things are what you are advocating for and I hope you realize that.

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upallnight · #**354** 05-02-2020, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by crystalworks

It's the Wuhan flu-coronavirus to me as that's what it started as. Any issues with racial profiling were going to be there no matter what you call it. Everyone above the age of 10 knows where it originated.

Thanks for the map Stephen. Been using this one: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I know this is going to sound callous, but the world has been in need of a pandemic for awhile now, if for nothing else to highlight our complacency. Depending on which stats you reference the annual flu season kills 600,000+ yearly. Not sure where this caronavirus wiil ultimate end up statistically but it sure has highlighted our lack of preparedness (both domestically and abroad) and ability to handle such an outbreak. There's no money in it. My family and I just hope it doesn't seriously affect anyone within 3 or 4 points of contact of us. And I of course hope the same for all the Xoutpost community.

Do you call yourself an African since everyone knows that human species originated in Africa? If you don't call yourself an African you shouldn't be referring to the virus as the Wuhan Virus. Scientists had already genome the virus and the source of the virus is Europe, not China. People may argue that it originated in China, but if you accept that argument you should also accept the fact that you are an African and not any other nationality.

As for being lack of preparedness to combat the virus, think about where all the masks and other PPE are being manufactured. With the trade tariff that the US placed on goods from China do you think that a distributor is going to stock up on goods from China? Pay the tariff on the good (no China does not pay the tariff on goods imported into the US) and keep it in a warehouse?
Plus the fact that US companies outsource a lot of the goods to other countries with cheaper labor rate, non union workers, and no regulatory agencies to comply with like OSHA and EPA. No, we shot ourselves in the foot and have no one else to blame. But like our leader who claims "No Responsibility" for what happened many of us will follow his lead and blame someone else rather than accept responsibility.

upallnight · #**355** 05-02-2020, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Overboost

The Government put 30 million people out of work and placed the whole country on house arrest. How long did you think people would willingly forfeit their liberties at the cost of losing their homes, savings and quality of life. What did you think was going to happen?

Well if the government had reacted quicker to this pandemic instead of telling the nation that they had it under control and only 15 people were infected with the virus and in a couple of days it will miraculously go away maybe just maybe 1 million plus Americans wouldn't have been infected with the virus and just maybe 60,000+ American wouldn't have died.

South Korea reported their first coronavirus case the same day as the US. They reacted completely different to the virus versus the US reaction. Their economy wasn't shut down, and the number of people infected with the virus per capital is less than the US. Because of their leaders reaction to the outbreak, they are in a better position than the US.

If people have saved for a rainy day and not blow through their paychecks every time they got it maybe just maybe they wouldn't be in the financial predicament that they find themselves right now. My immigrant parents taught me that if you can't afford it you don't need it.

Since this is a car forum I have been able to enjoy the sport without having to take out a loan any time I bought a car. The cars may not have been brand new, but at least I didn't go into hock to buy them.

bcredliner · #**356** 05-02-2020, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by EODguy

Well here's how I look at it...

America has the Bill of Rights so being locked down without being the "confirmed" infected has never been done and was only addressed in the courts via the (typhoid Mary) case and was the only time it was found Constitutional to lock someone up for the harm they would pose since she didn't obey the order not to work as a cook. The violation of anyone's Rights is illegal.

If the PPE provides protection then not opening things up is ignorant, because someone NOT using PPE doesn't have any effect on those who wear PPE.

NO government makes money as they are not a producer. The money they spend is collected from the citizens in the form of taxes, so getting $$$ from the government is truly robbing Peter to pay Paul and the economic follow on is very easy to get past the tipping point.

Wear PPE and practice social distancing and it doesn't interfere with anyone's Inalienable Rights but if you flip that theory and force people to stay out of work, lose their homes, lose their jobs or retirement then the people who want this must believe that the Constitution can be arbitrarily changed based on whomever is in power.

Remember that a law is used to punish people for breaking the rules NOT to stop them from breaking the rules.

Freedom isn't something that is passed down from generation to generation. Freedom is only as strong as those willing to fight and/or die safeguarding and nurturing it.

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The guidelines are voluntary and temporary. The constitution is intact. The gov. has communicated to all Americans what can easily happen if we don't follow them voluntarily. It has been explained they are for the protection of each of us and equally important, doing our part to protect others. Why aren't those following the guidelines the ones fighting to protect our rights?

The fed is sending every American funds to help us. Changes have been made to unemployment so that more are covered. There is a program to help small businesses. Part of the small business program is that there are to bring back employees laid off and pay them. Not saying the programs will make anyone whole but is is some compensation. Aren't you going to get a check? Don't you qualify for any of the programs?

Part of the reason for laws is to protect our rights from being infringed upon but equally important, a deterrent because of the consequents if the law is broken.
If the the guidelines were mandatory and if one didn't follow them they were no longer eligible for any compensation would that made a difference?

When there is a voluntary program to save our lives that the majority of Americans are voluntarily following in spite of the difficulties how can they be the ones that are not protecting, safeguarding and nurturing freedom?

bcredliner · #**357** 05-02-2020, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Overboost

The Government put 30 million people out of work and placed the whole country on house arrest. How long did you think people would willingly forfeit their liberties at the cost of losing their homes, savings and quality of life. What did you think was going to happen?

The virus is the bad guy. The government experts put together guidelines to protect us from the bad guy and get it gone ASAP. The state governors individually decided when and to what extent their state would adhere to the guidelines.

There are programs and they are discussing more to help compensate for financial difficulties. Don't you qualify for any of those programs?

My guess is the majority thought there would be some folks that wouldn't comply from day and were not surprised that the longer it went the more resistant others would become. Are you saying the states should not have taken any action to follow the guidelines because they were destined to fail?

bcredliner · #**358** 05-02-2020, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy

Yeah... I feel like there is more to this than meets the eye!

Are you implying it is a conspiracy?

Maruzo · #**359** 05-02-2020, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by EODguy

Spread the virus much easier... to those who want to wear PPE?
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Feels like u are arguing for arguments sake.

My statement stands as it is. There’s no need to imply I believe in anything other than what I’ve said.

I simply pointed out your mistake In believing that a carrier will not harm another person who is wearing the mask.

That’s all I said, and I showed you a simple graphic to illustrate my point.

You have to turn it into me believing taking away individual freedom is a good thing?

I don’t care if you don’t want to wear a mask when u go out into the public.

Go ahead and risk infecting more people. Since you clearly believe it’s ur constitutional right to do so.

bcredliner · #**360** 05-02-2020, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by EODguy

Spread the virus much easier... to those who want to wear PPE?

I see now that you have never understood personal responsibility or the Constitution.

I will type very slowly... you can wear PPE that protects you and it will have zero effect on anyone else's Rights, but if I was the government and said that you must surrender all of your assets so that the sale thereof can pay for the prison you will be assigned to... you would flip and guess what? Everything I listed is a pretty close analogy to what is going on now.

1. Wear PPE
2. You must stay where you're told.
3. You will be reimbursing yourself through taxes.
4. You will accept the fact that someone else controls your family and you have zero say in it.

The above 4 things are what you are advocating for and I hope you realize that.

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1. OK- for the greater good, as an American I should do my part.
2. OK-for my benefit, those most dear to me and all other Americans.
3. I don't expect any program to make me whole but will help.Thats good.
4. OK-The guidelines are voluntary and temporary. No rights or control lost.

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