What's the matter with Donald Trump.

[Happy]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

Is that something you are proud to say?

I fought for that right. Did you?

[Happy]

The USA is not a communist country. Your belief is that a single man or woman can come out and tell every single American how they’re going to live their life? And, your expectation is that they’re just going to say, “OK sure”. I think that might be wishful thinking on your part.

Also, I highly doubt Trump would have ever been viewed as a national hero. Regardless of the circumstances.

[Happy]

This is not about where the virus originated. It is about what was done to minimize the impact on US citizens.

A leader is responsible for the outcome of their actions as well as the actions of their management team. As President, Trump sets the tone for the nation. His tone on Covid-19 was there was nothing to worry about. In Trump's own words he says he downplayed the threat of COVID 19 so we wouldn't panic. The truth does not create panic. Moreover, in this case, the truth would have saved lives. He is still downplaying the threat. As an example his latest rally--no social distancing, no masks required and a large gathering of people. All primary requirements to avoid if we want to get the virus under control.

Like when Pelosi told everyone during the last week of February to go to Chinatown and celebrate. No social distancing, or masks were involved then.

Like when Biden called Trump a racist for limiting travel.

Biden warned Trump in Jan of 2020 and recommended actions to take to minimize the impact of Covid-19 on Americans. In Feb of 2020 Pelosi said listen to the scientists-prevention-prevention-prevention.

Like when Pelosi told everyone during the last week of February to go to Chinatown and celebrate. No social distancing, or masks were involved then.

Like when Biden called Trump a racist for limiting travel.

Have you ever been to San Francisco? It’s not a clean city. I was born and raised in San Francisco Bay Area.

Pelosi’s streets are full of filth. People urinating and defecating on the sidewalks, smoking crack, shooting dope, having sex, and Jesus knows what else.

This is where she said we need to go and celebrate. Again, with no masks or social distancing, late February.

The basis for government by the people is voting. If one doesn't vote they are part of the problem.

Was I part of the problem when I was defending the constitution for you, all while taking the chance of losing my life, FOR YOU!?

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by Happy

Like when Pelosi told everyone during the last week of February to go to Chinatown and celebrate. No social distancing, or masks were involved then.

Like when Biden called Trump a racist for limiting travel.



Like when Pelosi told everyone during the last week of February to go to Chinatown and celebrate. No social distancing, or masks were involved then.

Like when Biden called Trump a racist for limiting travel.

Have you ever been to San Francisco? It’s not a clean city. I was born and raised in San Francisco Bay Area.

Pelosi’s streets are full of filth. People urinating and defecating on the sidewalks, smoking crack, shooting dope, having sex, and Jesus knows what else.

This is where she said we need to go and celebrate. Again, with no masks or social distancing, late February.



Was I part of the problem when I was defending the constitution for you, all while taking the chance of losing my life, FOR YOU!?

Pelosi and Biden are influential but not in charge. What is happening in Pelosi's district has no bearing on this issue. As far as the Chinatown visit- https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/tr...and-chinatown/

Biden did call Trump a racist this past July. As it relates to the travel ban, he did state that calling the virus the China virus was xenophobia in February but that is different than a racist.

Thank you for your service. No, you weren't part of the problem when you were defending the constitution even if you weren't voting then. I didn't say or imply that. I said if you don't vote you are part of the problem. You are accepting the problems we are discussing. That is not doing your part to change what you think is wrong. We need to stand up for what we believe is right. Voting is the key way we do so.

I have been to San Francisco and many many other cities both here and around the world. There are places all around the world with the same problems. If she wasn't working to correct the problem I would be critical as well but that is not the case. Bear in mind she can't order the leadership of San Francisco to do more. Pelosi certainly has influence but she can't force the state or Fed. to dedicate more funds to fix the problem. By the way, the problem in San Francisco is still above the national average. It has declined some but has also become more visible and exploited.

That said, what is going on in San Francisco or what Pelosi has done or not done has no bearing on how our administration is handling the virus. You are echoing one of Trump's many diversionary tactics.

[Happy]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

Pelosi and Biden are influential but not in charge. What is happening in Pelosi's district has no bearing on this issue. As far as the Chinatown visit- https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/tr...and-chinatown/

https://abc7news.com/sf-chinatown-pe...fears/5964696/

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...atown/2240247/

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...cos-chinatown/

NO MASKS, NO SOCIAL DISTANCING, AND PELOSI IS TELLING THE PUBLIC, “EVERYTHING IS FINE”. Downplaying the actual threat of COVID-19.

How is that any different from the president addressing the same issue with no mask on, and downplaying the threat to keep panic to a minimum.

HYPOCRITES!

You better fact check, factcheck.

Thank you for your service. No, you weren't part of the problem when you were defending the constitution even if you weren't voting then. I didn't say or imply that. I said if you don't vote you are part of the problem. You are accepting the problems we are discussing. That is not doing your part to change what you think is wrong. We need to stand up for what we believe is right. Voting is the key way we do so.

I will register to vote the day Jesus’s teachings are implemented in our society. This county was founded under GOD! The founders were Christians. The first amendment gives the right for those who do not wish to follow these teachings to do so. It also states religion can not be forced upon the people. JESUS IS NOT A RELIGION! HE WAS MAN WHO CAME TO TEACH MANKIND TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

FYI: They pray on the house floor before opening hearings. And, some of those prayers have been in the mighty name of Jesus.

That said, what is going on in San Francisco or what Pelosi has done or not done has no bearing on how our administration is handling the virus. You are echoing one of Trump's many diversionary tactics.

February 24, 2020, the house speaker was advocating in the same manner the president was, and is. “Everything is fine”, in other words, “Don’t panic”.

I am not echoing anything but my allegiance to The Christ Jesus!

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by Happy

https://abc7news.com/sf-chinatown-pe...fears/5964696/

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...atown/2240247/

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...cos-chinatown/

NO MASKS, NO SOCIAL DISTANCING, AND PELOSI IS TELLING THE PUBLIC, “EVERYTHING IS FINE”. Downplaying the actual threat of COVID-19.

How is that any different from the president addressing the same issue with no mask on, and downplaying the threat to keep panic to a minimum.

HYPOCRITES!

You better fact check, factcheck.



I will register to vote the day Jesus’s teachings are implemented in our society. This county was founded under GOD! The founders were Christians. The first amendment gives the right for those who do not wish to follow these teachings to do so. It also states religion can not be forced upon the people. JESUS IS NOT A RELIGION! HE WAS MAN WHO CAME TO TEACH MANKIND TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

FYI: They pray on the house floor before opening hearings. And, some of those prayers have been in the mighty name of Jesus.



February 24, 2020, the house speaker was advocating in the same manner the president was, and is. “Everything is fine”, in other words, “Don’t panic”.

I am not echoing anything but my allegiance to The Christ Jesus!

Pelosi visited Chinatown in Cal. in February. It was because business was down. People were staying away because they thought that since COVID-19 originated in China they would be infected if they went there. Her visit was before Cal. became a hot spot. Adhering to the guidelines was not necessary. The visit was strictly about Chinatown not about what should be done in any other area. She did not say everything was fine in America. She said everything is fine in Chinatown. Totally different. The local news stories were picked up and used to make the visit look like this was her position on COVID-19 nationwide. Her visit was not about the nation. It was only about Chinatown, and, again, only at that particular time.

Regardless, even accepting your misuse and misinterpretation of the clip as accurate, it still doesn't matter what she did or said. She is not the one in charge. The inappropriate actions of one person does not mean the inappropriate actions of another are OK or justified.

COVID-19 is happening on Trump's watch. The buck stops with him regardless of what anyone else says or does. The virus isn't his fault but anything that the Federal government does, right or wrong is his cross to bear. He is the current President. He is in charge.

I have no idea why you brought in religion as justification for not voting. I contend that if you want anything changed as to how this nation functions then register to vote and vote in all elections--county, city, state and federal. Applying the "Golden rule" how do you justify calling anyone a hypocrite?

[Maruzo]

The religion part makes no sense to me either. He's free to believe in any religion. That doesn't mean he should or shouldn't vote.

As an american citizen, I would think voting for your local to national elected officials is part of your duty.

You can choose to vote or not to vote, that is your right. But God doesn't govern this country, our elected officials do.

Forgoing your right to choose the one you want to run the country seems a very passive way to live.

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

Her visit was before Cal. became a hot spot. Adhering to the guidelines was not necessary. The visit was strictly about Chinatown not about what should be done in any other area.

To be fair, in February. Literally 99% of the country was not a hot spot and could have been considered okay to not follow guidelines.

This is what bugs me. Pelosi CLEARLY ignored guidelines because it was convenient to do so. Also later visiting a hair salon (she wasn't the only one who did this). Talk about not leading by example. News casters were looking disheveled and streaming from home. Then, you have those defending what she did rather than just admitting she screwed up. Each side thinks their own can do no wrong or will justify those wrongs with crazy levels of mental gymnastics.

Very discouraging.

Happy, I agree with you that San Francisco (and other CA metropolitan areas) are managed terribly. The representatives from those areas in Congress care for their constituents about as much as Donald Trump does. Meaning very little. I am angry with Trump. But I am equally angry with all the other members of the government. Singling Trump out with such vitriol is like trying to put out the fire on one tree in a forest fire. They're all self-serving scum bags which has become blatantly apparent by the handling of the stimulus/recovery packages that have rolled out during the last 6 months. Very selectively helping the polar opposite economic classes and disproportionately assisting corporations. Almost completely leaving the average working class citizen aspiring to reach the middle class or in the middle class to fend for themselves (and foot the bill).

[crystalworks]

I certainly am not for the hyper or draconian reaction that some countries took. Could PPE have been more available? Yes. Should our health care system be much more capable. Uh huh. Could bars and dine-in restaurants have been closed sooner, sure. They should probably still be closed. Could face coverings have been mandated in businesses sooner. Yep. Schools should be closed. But I don't know what kind of realistic approach could have been taken by the American government, under anyone's leadership you guys are looking for that would have greatly changed the numbers. If we are blaming the government, fine, don't focus on Trump. As Happy pointed out pelosi screwed the pooch too, in more instances than one. Congress' constant bickering and inaction is equally to blame.

We have the ability to protect ourselves regardless of other's actions. My family went through an initial shelter in place phase out of shock and concern as well. And was upset by people not wearing face coverings. But we've all gotten over that and are now taking more reasonable precautions. Home schooling our daughter, wear a mask when in any business, avoid crowds (especially those prone to have non mask wearers), no eating out, etc. The only real big impact is the home schooling. Fortunately masks in businesses are mandated here.

180,000 deaths (190 now?) sounds like a huge number. And it is, depending on context. But we have no idea what percentage of those are covid deaths (healthy person dying after contacting covid), covid contributed deaths (underlying conditions), or misdiagnosed deaths. Our family has personally had to deal with a covid misdiagnosis.

I am NOT a Trump supporter, but the continued outrage from the left has gotten worse than the outrage from the right when Obama was in office. Especially over covid, when both parties are to blame. There was an America before Trump and there will be one after Trump. If the executive branch is failing us, the legislative, and judicial are supposed to course correct. If you are unhappy with current govt actions, vote all the incumbents out.

BTW, thank you for your service Happy (and all servicemen/women who frequent the forums). And I hope your family has recovered from their covid experiences.

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

I certainly am not for the hyper or draconian reaction that some countries took. Could PPE have been more available? Yes. Should our health care system be much more capable. Uh huh. Could bars and dine-in restaurants have been closed sooner, sure. They should probably still be closed. Could face coverings have been mandated in businesses sooner. Yep. Schools should be closed. But I don't know what kind of realistic approach could have been taken by the American government, under anyone's leadership you guys are looking for that would have greatly changed the numbers. If we are blaming the government, fine, don't focus on Trump. As Happy pointed out pelosi screwed the pooch too, in more instances than one. Congress' constant bickering and inaction is equally to blame.

We have the ability to protect ourselves regardless of other's actions. My family went through an initial shelter in place phase out of shock and concern as well. And was upset by people not wearing face coverings. But we've all gotten over that and are now taking more reasonable precautions. Home schooling our daughter, wear a mask when in any business, avoid crowds (especially those prone to have non mask wearers), no eating out, etc. The only real big impact is the home schooling. Fortunately masks in businesses are mandated here.

180,000 deaths (190 now?) sounds like a huge number. And it is, depending on context. But we have no idea what percentage of those are covid deaths (healthy person dying after contacting covid), covid contributed deaths (underlying conditions), or misdiagnosed deaths. Our family has personally had to deal with a covid misdiagnosis.

I am NOT a Trump supporter, but the continued outrage from the left has gotten worse than the outrage from the right when Obama was in office. Especially over covid, when both parties are to blame. There was an America before Trump and there will be one after Trump. If the executive branch is failing us, the legislative, and judicial are supposed to course correct. If you are unhappy with current govt actions, vote all the incumbents out.

BTW, thank you for your service Happy (and all servicemen/women who frequent the forums). And I hope your family has recovered from their covid experiences.

I don't know how you talk about the pandemic without defining the role Trump plays in it.

I can certainly separate him or basically anything he says about the virus from my actual approach to dealing with this infection. Since most of what he said are pure garbage.

But I don't think the many supporters who chant his name whenever he tweets can separate the truth from his many ill-advised and useless alternative solution to the virus, including but not limited to: "wishing it would just go away, no more deadly than your average flu, do less testing, only pute on mask if you feel like it, shooting chlorine into your arm, and my personal favorite, hydroxycloroquine."

Focusing on the biggest problem is better than focusing on too many targets at the same time and letting your goal get wahsed out as a result.

Do I like Pelosi or Schumer? I have no opinion on them. They are not the leader of this country and their influence, good or bad, isn't going to change this country in a republican led senate with a republican in charge.

So it's not a matter of spreading the blame for me. It's admitting that we have a bad president and we need to get rid of him and bring in an alternative.

Right now that person is Biden.

I'm sure as heck willing to give him a try, after what we've went through this year.

Seems you can't talk about Trump in a bad way or Happy will be all over me.

But so be it.